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Ryuji_Yamazaki
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Enjoy.
The Church gave you what you call Bible. Or did you invent even the word Bible?
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clem456
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I’m sorry, the piece is not enjoyable. You use it to misrepresent the Church’s careful guardianship of scripture. You know full well the Church never banned the Bible. You are engaging in deception Ryuji. The Church banned unauthorized bibles. That would be bibles produced by those not qualified, authorized, or in other ways unfit to produce a bible. The Church did not ban the bible.
Your assertion is humorous, because it cannot even pass the smell test of Protestant Scripture scholars. No serious Protestant scholar will support you on your assertion that the Church banned the bible. It’s a baseless lie.
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Ryuji_Yamazaki
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Shall I show you the bibles that were banned for you to assess their unfitness?
Is not Rome the city of seven hills?
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Ryuji_Yamazaki
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He loved Jesus. A side effect of Jesus’ existence is you & I. But know this.
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Ryuji_Yamazaki
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Here. Now what did happen to William Tyndale?
The original Gospel is in Greek, not Latin. To ban translations is to ban the Vulgate. Even its name testifies against those who oppose vernacular renditions. But if the Gospel is to be preached everywhere in Latin then, indeed, Rome is that big city, Babylon.
The original Gospel is in Greek, not Latin. To ban translations is to ban the Vulgate. Even its name testifies against those who oppose vernacular renditions. But if the Gospel is to be preached everywhere in Latin then, indeed, Rome is that big city, Babylon.
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clem456
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No, that’s ok. I trust the Church instituted by Christ for that. He is the vine, we are the branches. That’s all the authority I need.
A religion based your personal authority is NOT faith. It is just prideful idolatry.
Prayers for you.
catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/wbible.htm
Wycliffe and Tyndale are the oldest and easiest to refute canards of them all.
Your position has no merit. Ask any serious protestant scripture scholar. None of them hold the belief that the Church tried to “hide” the Scriptures.
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Ryuji_Yamazaki
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To whom are you going to pour out your prayers? To the Queen of Heaven, to him whom she loves? Or to the Holy Trinity?
Perhaps to one of those saints that did not care for their sheep? If they loved you they would have forbidden you prayers unto them for no dead is active till the return of Christ. The gods of old were but notable men e.g., your saints.
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HardRockGTR
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So involuntary doubt, something I have absolutely no control over, is a sin and makes me a bad person. Gee. Sounds like Calvinism to me.
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clem456
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Ummm no.
Not in Catholicism.
Why did you quote my post for this?
I assume you clicked on the wrong reply button?
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HardRockGTR
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I did not.Ummm no.
Not in Catholicism.
Why did you quote my post for this?
I assume you clicked on the wrong reply button?
The quote I replied to says that involuntary doubt is sin.
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HardRockGTR
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That still seems to suggest that involuntary doubt is sinful.
“There are various ways of sinning against faith:” followed by a paragraph dictating different types of doubt (even though I’m pretty sure that, by definition, all doubt is involuntary) makes it pretty clear as to what isn’t accepted. Deliberate cultivation (whatever that may be) may lead to spiritual blindness, but that doesn’t mean what is in the previous sentence is acceptable.
What is held to be voluntary and what is held to be involuntary also seem to mean the same thing.
I would love to be corrected, as my agnosticism (which isn’t voluntary) already terrifies me as it is.
“There are various ways of sinning against faith:” followed by a paragraph dictating different types of doubt (even though I’m pretty sure that, by definition, all doubt is involuntary) makes it pretty clear as to what isn’t accepted. Deliberate cultivation (whatever that may be) may lead to spiritual blindness, but that doesn’t mean what is in the previous sentence is acceptable.
What is held to be voluntary and what is held to be involuntary also seem to mean the same thing.
I would love to be corrected, as my agnosticism (which isn’t voluntary) already terrifies me as it is.
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clem456
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I understand how you might read it that way.
Having involuntary doubts is not a sin. No one can fully grasp God. We pursue understanding in trust and in good faith, rather than intentionally cultivating doubt.
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HardRockGTR
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Ah, thank you, that reassures me. As far as I’m concerned, I’m being honest with myself, and I think honesty is the basis of all morality.
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Ryuji_Yamazaki
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…Agnostic, previously deist, previously Catholic
Had you started with the Gospel & not been seduced by that mysterious whore with whom you did commit fornication, you would not have ended Agnostic.
Had you started with the Gospel & not been seduced by that mysterious whore with whom you did commit fornication, you would not have ended Agnostic.
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