Does everybody go to purgatory

[apophasis]

Has the Church made a proclamation on if there is a literal fire in purgatory, or is it still just optional?

And what would be the source of this “proclamation?” Or, might I ask you, what must be the source?

 

[NotWorthy]

But that wasn’t my question. I asked how you can reconcile your doctrine of “Purgatory” with Heb. 1:3:Heb 1:3 "And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,.

The same way God did with David. He forgave him for his transgression with Bathsheba and having her husband killed. But He still punished David and Bathsheba by not allowing their child to live.

 

[StMarkEofE]

Our sins are forgiven, there is no question there. But, we are still liable for the temporal punishment of our actions.

When God forgives you your sins where does this temporal punishment come from. Are there conditions on God’s forgiveness now? If you are forgiven you are forgiven period. This temporal punishment is an invention in the western church.

 

[NotWorthy]

When God forgives you your sins where does this temporal punishment come from. Are there conditions on God’s forgiveness now? If you are forgiven you are forgiven period. This temporal punishment is an invention in the western church.

Then explain David and Bathsheba’s child.
Then explain what it means to have to pay the last penny to get out of prison.

Then explain 1 Corinthians Chapter 3 that I posted earlier.

All I’ve heard so far on these quotes is silence.

 

[apophasis]

The same way God did with David. He forgave him for his transgression with Bathsheba and having her husband killed. But He still punished David and Bathsheba by not allowing their child to live.

But I’m not talking about forgiveness of sins. Nor is Heb. 1:3. It says:"When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,Purgatory is not about “paying” for sins, or even forgiving sins. But supposedly about cleansing the sin-stained soul of a believer via his own (the believer’s) sufferings. So how do you reconcile this doctrine with the fact that, according to God’s Word, Christ made “purification of sins” through His own blood on the cross? How do you reconcile your doctrine of Purgatory with the Biblical doctrine of the cross?

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

But I’m not talking about forgiveness of sins. Nor is Heb. 1:3. It says:"When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,Purgatory is not about “paying” for sins, or even forgiving sins. But supposedly about cleansing the sin-stained soul of a believer via his own (the believer’s) sufferings. So how do you reconcile this doctrine with the fact that, according to God’s Word, Christ made “purification of sins” through His own blood on the cross? How do you reconcile your doctrine of Purgatory with the Biblical doctrine of the cross?

We don’t purify our own souls in Purgatory, they are purified as a result of Christs Sacrifice on the cross.

 

[NotWorthy]

But I’m not talking about forgiveness of sins. Nor is Heb. 1:3. It says:"When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,Purgatory is not about “paying” for sins, or even forgiving sins. But supposedly about cleansing the sin-stained soul of a believer via his own (the believer’s) sufferings. So how do you reconcile this doctrine with the fact that, according to God’s Word, Christ made “purification of sins” through His own blood on the cross? How do you reconcile your doctrine of Purgatory with the Biblical doctrine of the cross?

I don’t see any conflict between our doctrine and Hebrews. When Christ died on the Cross, he conquered death. He made it where our sins could be purified through His loving Forgiveness. Purgatory is not about forgiveness of sins, so I don’t see where there is any conflict, or even that these two are relevant to each other.

 

[NotWorthy]

But I’m not talking about forgiveness of sins. Nor is Heb. 1:3. It says:"When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,Purgatory is not about “paying” for sins, or even forgiving sins. But supposedly about cleansing the sin-stained soul of a believer via his own (the believer’s) sufferings. So how do you reconcile this doctrine with the fact that, according to God’s Word, Christ made “purification of sins” through His own blood on the cross? How do you reconcile your doctrine of Purgatory with the Biblical doctrine of the cross?

Are you saying that Christ purifies are sins even if we don’t seek forgiveness? Christ purifies my sins in the Sacrament of Penance. I may have some venial sins on my soul. But when I die, there is further cleansing of my soul, for I certainly am not perfect. Only something perfect can enter heaven, hence there needs to be a cleansing process where I can pay the last penny for my sins.

Now how do you reconcile my questions regarding Purgatory?

 

[scylla]

Your objection to Purgatory would work if Catholics thought that we do the purifying, and that sins don’t matter.

On the contrary, Jesus’s finished work on the cross is what Purifies us. If it was automatic and anytime I sinned I was completely purified then I am perfect right now and any sin does not matter at all. I could commit adultry 100 times in a day and still automatically get into Heaven. Or I could steal a penny from Donald Trump and still get into heaven without repentance.

So either Sins matter or they don’t. For Catholics they do matter and that is the reason Purgatory has to exist. God just doesn’t ignore sin but purifies us, which is completely in line with Hebrews.
Unless you absolutize the interpretation to say that the work was done before we were born, then everyone goes to Heaven. Or it is not just, that those who are lucky enough to hear about Jesus are automatically going to Heaven and those who don’t go to Hell.

In Christ
Scylla