Does free health care work in those countries that have it

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Yes. I recall my military days…or daze…‘free’ health care seems to encourage just too many to go…long lines…indifferent medics etc! I recall being able to go to a doctor friend.charged $10 for any visit…he made house calls,never was a “miracle” pill pusher etc etc…the government cant do anything right…from running wars to fixing a scratch!..I have a heart to love with, a mind to think with and a body to act with…who needs a nanny government anyhow?
 
it sounds like canadians don’t have the option of going private.

i have to admit, i have mixed feelings about the entire subject. in one way, it sounds very compassionate to have goverment provided health care. i have known people who could not afford health insurance. they were not among the poorest people though. instead they were the bottom of the working class. those people who work hard but just don’t make a lot of money.

at the same time, i really don’t trust the goverment to effectively provide something like health care. i worry that advances in medical care will slow down. also, i don’t want to pay very high taxes.
anyone can take out insurance and go private here in New Zealand. The U.S is possibly the only western nation that requires it’s citizens ‘go it alone’ for their healthcare. Even countries like Japan, where the privaders are private subsidize the poor for their insuranc. In other words america is alone in treating healthcare as purely a commodity.
 
You can go private in Serbia, but you still have to pay for the state health system. The best doctors are in state-funded institutions, and the only privilege of going private is no lines.

As I said, I wouldn’t give up free health care for the world. The last thing that should be on your mind when someone close to you is sick or hurt is how you’re going to afford the treatment.
 
at the same time, i really don’t trust the goverment to effectively provide something like health care.
Its provided in most of europe and australasia. In the U.S it isn’t. Sux to be you guys. Is it perfectly efficient or fair? who knows, it probably isn’t very efiecient, with a fair amount of waste on administration, but people do get treatment, when there otherwise would be none. Having to on a hospital waiting list for an operation is still better than no treatment at all.
i worry that advances in medical care will slow down. also, i don’t want to pay very high taxes.
so in other words, you don’t want to pay tax so that someone else can get treated for cancer. People don’t earn enugh to take “personal responsibility” for their health care “choices” because they don’t earn enough, should potentially *die, *so that the more comfortably off don’t have to pay higher taxes.
 
One of my many fears about “universal health care” is that it may open the door for euthenasia. Is that an issue in all the countries out there who have universal health care?

Also, many states her in the US do have options for those who don’t have insurance, it just depends on which state you live in.

I also don’t think that a universal health care system would change peoples minds on going to the doctor for regular checkups (a great preventative method to catch things early which costs less). Not to mention, citizen won’t miraculously wake up and decide that they are going to start taking care of themselves and try to live a healthy life (you think, without insurance they’d do that now).
 
One of my many fears about “universal health care” is that it may open the door for euthenasia. Is that an issue in all the countries out there who have universal health care?
Not here that I’m aware of :nope:
 
Not to mention, citizen won’t miraculously wake up and decide that they are going to start taking care of themselves and try to live a healthy life (you think, without insurance they’d do that now).
My guess is that ‘prevention’ (particularly the smoking, drinking and obesity questions) will become more and more an issue because of the cost implications of more and more people living longer. Governments don’t have the luxury of being able to do what private insurers can do, ie say “No” to the chronically ill or potentially chronically ill, without serious political problems.
 
Its provided in most of europe and australasia. In the U.S it isn’t. Sux to be you guys.
Don’t be too hard on them, they suffer even more from “Medical Profession Vested Interest Group Disease” than everybody else does!
 
okay, i probably named this thread badly. i was curious how most of the population in those countries that have free health care feel about their care.

I’ve always been afraid that if we adopted free health care in America that the government would somehow mess it up. that might be cynical of me, but part of my thinking comes from being married to a military man and dealing with a free health care system.

for the most part, the military health care system is not bad. i think that the doctors and nurses themselves are very good. but there does seem to be unnecessary red tape and rules.

an example would be several years back, i came down with a sudden infection because my wisdom teeth came in. i was in a lot of pain and was running a fever. the Dr put me on meds and sent me to an off base doctor. the military was willing to pay for my operation to have my wisdom teeth removed but wouldn’t pay for the anesthesia. i had to pay for that myself before the doctor would remove my wisdom teeth. its not like i could shop around for a different Dr. i had to go where the military sent me.

so, i am curious, how does free health care work in countries like England and Canada? are you satisfied with the care you recieve?does the government try to cut cost with your care? do both rich and poor get the same medical care?
In the UK, free healthcare is far from perfect, but it works. It works and is a whole lot better than America’s private system.

Firstly, because of free healthcare, everybody can see a doctor. That means nobody is so poor that they can’t be well. The number of working days that must be lost by people in minimum wage jobs in America because of their health problems is unimaginable here.

Secondly, because it’s a public service, people use it wisely. People don’t go to their doctor every time they have a cold, because they know there’s nothing a doctor can do. This means we avoid wasting our time and our doctors’ time. There’s also less of a culture of working through illness, and it’s more understood that if you’re a bit ill it’s better to spend the day in bed and recover than to be working at half-capacity for weeks while your body fights it.

Thirdly, although there are long waiting lists for some surgery, and although not all medications are available on the Health Service, the fact that a free option is available has a regulatory effect on the price of private healthcare. For example, a while back I needed a scan for something quite worrying, I could have waited 4 weeks to get it done free, but for peace of mind, I paid £200 to have it done privately. That’s £200 for a 1 hour appointment with a specialist, involving ultrasound equipment, without insurance! The fact that you can get any prescription medication for £6.70 means that over-the-counter drugs like allergy relief and painkillers are much cheaper too.
 
I also don’t think that a universal health care system would change peoples minds on going to the doctor for regular checkups (a great preventative method to catch things early which costs less). Not to mention, citizen won’t miraculously wake up and decide that they are going to start taking care of themselves and try to live a healthy life (you think, without insurance they’d do that now).
i can only speak for the people that i know who don’t have health care. my neighbor needs to go to her annual checkup. she doesn’t have insurance and she makes too much for assistance from the state.

the annual is 300 dollars, which she just doesn’t have. i know that she has tried to set aside money but she, at this time, hasn’t been able to come up with the funds.

imagine it this way, if i told you that you needed to come up with three million dollars to save three billion, what would be your reaction? chances are you just couldn’t come up with the funds.

for some people that three hundred dollars might as well be three million. they just aren’t going to be able to come up with the smaller funds for the more basic care.
 
okay, i probably named this thread badly. i was curious how most of the population in those countries that have free health care feel about their care.

I’ve always been afraid that if we adopted free health care in America that the government would somehow mess it up. that might be cynical of me, but part of my thinking comes from being married to a military man and dealing with a free health care system.

for the most part, the military health care system is not bad. i think that the doctors and nurses themselves are very good. but there does seem to be unnecessary red tape and rules.

an example would be several years back, i came down with a sudden infection because my wisdom teeth came in. i was in a lot of pain and was running a fever. the Dr put me on meds and sent me to an off base doctor. the military was willing to pay for my operation to have my wisdom teeth removed but wouldn’t pay for the anesthesia. i had to pay for that myself before the doctor would remove my wisdom teeth. its not like i could shop around for a different Dr. i had to go where the military sent me.

so, i am curious, how does free health care work in countries like England and Canada? are you satisfied with the care you recieve?does the government try to cut cost with your care? do both rich and poor get the same medical care?
In the UK, free healthcare is far from perfect, but it works. It works and is a whole lot better than America’s private system.

Firstly, because of free healthcare, everybody can see a doctor. That means nobody is so poor that they can’t be well. The number of working days that must be lost by people in minimum wage jobs in America because of their health problems is unimaginable here.

Secondly, because it’s a public service, people use it wisely. People don’t go to their doctor every time they have a cold, because they know there’s nothing a doctor can do. This means we avoid wasting our time and our doctors’ time. There’s also less of a culture of working through illness, and it’s more understood that if you’re a bit ill it’s better to spend the day in bed and recover than to be working at half-capacity for weeks while your body fights it.

Thirdly, although there are long waiting lists for some surgery, and although not all medications are available on the Health Service, the fact that a free option is available has a regulatory effect on the price of private healthcare. For example, a while back I needed a scan for something quite worrying, I could have waited 4 weeks to get it done free, but for peace of mind, I paid £200 to have it done privately. That’s £200 for a 1 hour appointment with a specialist, involving ultrasound equipment, without insurance! The fact that you can get any prescription medication for £6.70 means that over-the-counter drugs like allergy relief and painkillers are much cheaper too.

As I said, it’s not perfect, but it does work.

Americans have a ridiculous fear of your government. It’s a democracy, if you don’t like it, you can get rid of them! What you don’t realise is that if you don’t let the government, whom you control, take care of healthcare, massive corporations, whom you don’t control, will do it instead.

Simple question - who would you rather have looking after your child, someone you hired yourself, or someone who was hired by some rich guy you never met, who you still have to pay? That’s the choice you have between public and private healthcare in a democracy.
 
Its provided in most of europe and australasia. In the U.S it isn’t. Sux to be you guys. Is it perfectly efficient or fair? who knows, it probably isn’t very efiecient, with a fair amount of waste on administration, but people do get treatment, when there otherwise would be none. Having to on a hospital waiting list for an operation is still better than no treatment at all.

so in other words, you don’t want to pay tax so that someone else can get treated for cancer. People don’t earn enugh to take “personal responsibility” for their health care “choices” because they don’t earn enough, should potentially *die, *so that the more comfortably off don’t have to pay higher taxes.
well, that is partly why i started this thread. to see if the different people from various countries feel that goverment provided health care works. its not a qustion of wanting to deny anyone care, that is one of my worries. but to be honest, i do have some concerns about certain aspects of goverment health care.
 
anyone can take out insurance and go private here in New Zealand. The U.S is possibly the only western nation that requires it’s citizens ‘go it alone’ for their healthcare. Even countries like Japan, where the privaders are private subsidize the poor for their insuranc. In other words america is alone in treating healthcare as purely a commodity.
No there is Medicare and Medicade. If you go to the ER you have to be scene. We still end up getting some cost shifting taking place, and the people who pay, also have to pay to offset for the write-offs for care not being able to be payed.

No matter what, you can take a public or private situation, if you fall under one set of circumstances you’re in a mess, and in another you’re looking good.
 
No there is Medicare and Medicade. If you go to the ER you have to be scene. We still end up getting some cost shifting taking place, and the people who pay, also have to pay to offset for the write-offs for care not being able to be payed.

No matter what, you can take a public or private situation, if you fall under one set of circumstances you’re in a mess, and in another you’re looking good.
in countries outside of american, can they turn you away in emergency rooms? :eek:

although people have to be seen here in emergency rooms, they will be eventually billed for that treatment. so, the emergency room visit isn’t free, the payment is just postponed.

i think that it is the working poor who suffer most in american. the very poor can get medicare. but there are a class of people who work hard but can’t get that sort of assistance because they don’t meet the financial cut off.

these are the people that often can’t afford either health insurance or a sudden emergency.
 
I’m in the U.S. and the thought of universal healthcare gives me the heebie jeebies. Leave it to our government and I can imagine a mess of stipulations and red tape in our future. If a committee can actually THINK this through and come up with an infallable plan (and stick to it), then maybe we’d be on to something here. But until then, I don’t want the U.S. rushing into a universal healthcare system when its other agencies are still works-in-progess. Seems like just another way for the government to funnel taxpayer money.
 
There’s no such thing as free. Someone is paying-- taxpayers. And, as the population has begun to age in Europe and elsewhere the weight of the social programs is causing these systems to collapse as there are not enough young workers paying taxes to support them.

Those countries with socialized medicine have a standard of care that is quite inferior to the US. Their equipment and procedures are decades outdated. The wait for care is lengthy. The care is minimal and rationed.

Those foreigners with money come to the US to be treated for anything serious or go to a **private **hospital in their own country.

I have first hand experience with the socialized medicine of Europe after breaking my ankle abroad. I was hospitalized and had surgery. The orthopedic surgeon I saw upon return to the US said that the technique they used to repair my ankle was something out of the 1950s and I was lucky I healed and could walk properly.

The **government **created this entire medical problem in the first place during WWII. We don’t need more government intervention. Read the history of health care and the history of offering company paid health insurance and you will see how the government created our current mess by their interference.
 
I’m sure that those of us in poor blighted countries outside the US, living as we do, in every way, decades behind the land of the free and the home of the brave, are only too happy to have our American friends explain to us just how hopeless and squalid are our circumstances.

Translation:

“Why is it that description of any kind of way other than the ‘American Way’ brings out the waving of virility symbols?”
 
in countries outside of american, can they turn you away in emergency rooms? :eek:

although people have to be seen here in emergency rooms, they will be eventually billed for that treatment. so, the emergency room visit isn’t free, the payment is just postponed.

i think that it is the working poor who suffer most in american. the very poor can get medicare. but there are a class of people who work hard but can’t get that sort of assistance because they don’t meet the financial cut off.

these are the people that often can’t afford either health insurance or a sudden emergency.
If you don’t really have enough money to pay, you cannot pay, and the hospital will just have to write if off, or go through collections and get nothing. For myself, I just had the hospitals write off my bill when I had a 10 day stay when I was a student, part-time working, with no insurance. I had to pay for the doctor bills.

Yeah the people who do get stuck are the people who are working poor and lower middle class. At the same time, it isn’t exactly as cynic said, that the poor are left out.
 
I’m sure that those of us in poor blighted countries outside the US, living as we do, in every way, decades behind the land of the free and the home of the brave, are only too happy to have our American friends explain to us just how hopeless and squalid are our circumstances.

Translation:

“Why is it that description of any kind of way other than the ‘American Way’ brings out the waving of virility symbols?”
I’m sure you might say some places are better than others. Same for the US. If your stuck in some rural area, if you need good care you need to get to a good metro area. I suppose it’s a bit better in the states, just because in general there is more money to put in for every place per same area.
 
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