Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[mcq72]

Protestantism, as well as others non-Christians, continue to believe that it is man who makes rule

Funny coming from folks who say Writ is not the rule but the magisterium(men/officers).

Of course if you are denying that the Holy Spirit can guide such men, well then, I would say you are right.

 

[rcwitness]

jcrichton:

Protestantism, as well as others non-Christians, continue to believe that it is man who makes rule

Funny coming from folks who say Writ is not the rule but the magisterium(men/officers).

Of course if you are denying that the Holy Spirit can guide such men, well then, I would say you are right.

Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterial Teaching

You cannot avoid any of them in Christianity

 

[mcq72]

I would hope so, and that yielding to the HolyGhost.

 

[rcwitness]

I would hope so, and that yielding to the HolyGhost.

They all rely on each other.

 

[PastorJames]

I didn’t choose it, my friends did.

 

[rcwitness]

I didn’t choose it, my friends did.

Dont worry, your nickname is not important here.

 

[Agathon]

John 8:7 says “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Didn’t He say to the woman “Go and sin no more?”

 

[jcrichton]

But Christ says that Scriptures are not the rule.

I am saying that the Holy Spirit will not guide man to go against Christ.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

However, you are speaking with “authority” when you state that God embraces your friend’s homosexuality.

Scriptures do not support such theology, no matter how “good-willed” people may want to interpret them.

God does not change.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Benadam]

Benadam:

testify to it, and declare to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us

Nowhere in Scriptures will we find that everything has been set in the Written Tradition.

Rather we find that, right from Sacred Writings, the Truth is being Unfolded by the Holy Spirit and the Church, the Body of Christ, is changing according to this Unfolding. We also see, right from the New Covenant’s Writings that heresies emerge challenging the Teaching of Christ, Who, through His Apostles, is Bringing the Kingdom of God to the word.

This is where selective reading, exegesis, and rampart eisegesis make void the Word of God in preference for a ‘feel-good theology.’

Maran atha!

Angel

I didn’t say that @jcrichton. Please be more attentive to what you are posting.Please remove my name from that quote.

Don’t make me report you to Papa:wink:

 

[mcq72]

But Christ says that Scriptures are not the rule.

So when God speaks (sometimes the Word of the Lord, and He records it in writing), it is not the rule to whom it is given, even received?

 

[Agathon]

The texts we have of Christ’s words were transmitted through oral traditions. People had to hear these stories before they put them down on papyrus.

 

[mcq72]

The texts we have of Christ’s words were transmitted through oral traditions. People had to hear these stories before they put them down on papyrus.

Do we then have Christ’s words, the written Word?

 

[rcwitness]

Agathon:

The texts we have of Christ’s words were transmitted through oral traditions. People had to hear these stories before they put them down on papyrus.

Do we then have Christ’s words, the written Word?

Translated into Greek originally, yes! Thanks be to God!

 

[guanophore]

What you (CC) propose is that the Word of God be ruled by that the Holy Spirit

??

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are two strands of the same Divine Revelation. They are the inspired and inerrant expression of the HS.

What I am proposing is that the interpretation of the Scriptures be “ruled” (guided) by the Holy Spirit, rather than human perception.

What you (CC) propose is that …only thru Rome and by others but only when they concur with Rome, including any reform, and that only of practice, (due to infallible reception of doctrine, by Rome only).

I am not sure I am following this statement entirely, but yes, it is essential that unity with what God has already revealed be preserved.

Irenaeus expresses the position of the early Church on this matter in his work Against Heresies. “For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church [the church in Rome], on account of its pre- eminent authority.” This authority rests on the voluminous deposit of the doctrines of the faith by the Apostles Peter and Paul.

 

[Wannano]

mcq72:

Agathon:

The texts we have of Christ’s words were transmitted through oral traditions. People had to hear these stories before they put them down on papyrus.

Do we then have Christ’s words, the written Word?

Translated into Greek originally, yes! Thanks be to God!

When one thinks of this, how can we be sure that certain words that we argue over are worth arguing over?

 

[Benadam]

That sounds like being an enabling parent. The liberal Church is not loving her but giving her the peace the world gives not Christ.

 

[rcwitness]

rcwitness:

mcq72:

Agathon:

The texts we have of Christ’s words were transmitted through oral traditions. People had to hear these stories before they put them down on papyrus.

Do we then have Christ’s words, the written Word?

Translated into Greek originally, yes! Thanks be to God!

When one thinks of this, how can we be sure that certain words that we argue over are worth arguing over?

Because there is true meaning behind them, and while there can be layers of meaning, there cannot be two conflicting meanings.

But yes, I do appreciate that question! We shouldnt make such a war over language, but meaning must be professed by the Church. If local churches cannot come to agreement with the whole (Protestants) or uphold what they do profess (Catholic), then they produce wounds.

 

[guanophore]

Now she has a better relationship with God than she ever would have in the Catholic church, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

God works through these ecclesial communities to bring people to Himself. I would not say people are “called to be separate”, but rather, they are called “through” separation into unity.

I had a similar experience as a young adult, fell in with some Protestants and developed a relationship with Jesus that I never had growing up in Catholic schools and CCD. I spent three years in a Protestant Seminary trying to figure out where I “belonged”. I made the mistake of looking for a Church that was consistent with what I believed was right. I emerged from that more Catholic than I had ever been.

 

[guanophore]

So when God speaks (sometimes the Word of the Lord, and He records it in writing), it is not the rule to whom it is given, even received?

Yes, the inspired and inerrant Word of God is authorative, and can be used as a “rule” (standard).

The problem here is human perception. There are as many ways of interpreting the Word of God as there are belly buttons.

Since the invention of Sola Scriptura in the 16th century, this personal way of interpreting the authorative Scriptures has continued to cause divisions in the Body. The Sacred Scriptures were never intended to be separated from the Sacred Tradition that produced them.

When one thinks of this, how can we be sure that certain words that we argue over are worth arguing over?

It is a valid question. Jesus was clear that He wanted unity and “one mind, one heart” in His Church. These questions divide us.

Jesus knew that this would happen, which is why He created an authorative structure for His One Body, the Church.

The Bishops, successors to the Apostles, were invested with Apostolic authority. Only this can prevent the “arguments”. Jesus instructed believers to approach one another, and if this did not resolve it, “take it to the Church”.