Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[jcrichton]

The point of this thread is to ask Christians if it is God’ will that some of His believers do not partake in His Eucharist. As Catholics, we believe that their is not a true Eucharist in churches separated from the Catholic and Orthodox Church.

Rather, it is their belief that it is a symbol (as some would have Baptism be simply a symbol) that cements their separation from the fullness of Faith (Truth–Jesus).

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mcq72]

there’s nothing to gain to state that non-Catholics can also be saved or are Christians

how about a bridge to some unity, if not realism (that they are christians)

 

[jcrichton]

Billy Graham was not Catholic and he served God the way God wanted him to.

That is the problem that we have… how do you know that God wanted a separated body? …and if it’s ok for one portion of the Body to be separate then why is it not for all of the thousands of splinters… and the hundreds/thousands that will continue to emerge?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[guanophore]

Is it a Catholic Eucharist or is it Jesus’ Eucharist? Was Jesus a Catholic?

No, Jesus is God, but He was born a Jew, born of a Woman, under the Law.

He founded One Church (Catholic) which is His Body, and He is the Head. The Eucharist He gave to His One Body, the Catholic Church, is His Body.

 

[mcq72]

the Church gains nothing from “hardliners”

kindly disagree…I think they maintain status quo amidst pressures to compromise for sake of unity

 

[mcq72]

The Eucharist is the Source and Summit of the faith.

Well, perhaps Calvary/Christ crucified is the summit and source of our faith , and we then Eucharist,(are thankful and remember Jesus at Calvary, till His return.)

 

[jcrichton]

The problem with that take is that every single person that grabs a Bible can point to one particular passage or another and claim ‘see, that’s all that is needed for salvation.’

Yet, is that what Jesus actually Taught His Disciples, that all that is needed is to be “born again?:”

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” (St. Matthew 28)

By your understanding and definition Jesus just went all out on the above passage… should he have not just stated ‘make sure that they are born again and let them know they are saved?’

That’s where the fullness of Faith comes in–it is not about formulas and shortcuts!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

…but we must be careful that the “spirit” that is guiding us is not our own; too many times the Holy Spirit is attributed with “this” and “that” no matter what the content is… just a for instance: ‘divorce and remarriage’ is ok!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Actually, you are far from being right. So far that you are wrong.

Worship is not a celebration for Sundays and put it away for the next 6 days and 23 hours!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

…and you have God’s counsel so you can tell that He wants thousands upon thousands of splinters in His Body, correct?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

For us there can be no separation. The Eucharist is the Source and Summit of the faith. I do agree that the call is universal, and that we are all called to discipleship. Jesus was clear about His desire that we all be One, as He and the Father are One. The separation and division wounds His One Body. He does care that we are divided.

This is exactly why the ‘just me and Christ’ faith-base don’t work. It continues to leave Christ’s Word out of the purported faith.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mcq72]

That is the problem that we have… how do you know that God wanted a separated body? …and if it’s ok for one portion of the Body to be separate then why is it not for all of the thousands of splinters… and the hundreds/thousands that will continue to emerge?

Maran atha!

Angel

Sad to say "knowledge " has caused many splinters. We love our “doctrines” so much . They make us feel good, and quench any guilt for not placing love above all else (something we were supposed to be known for.)

Interesting when knowledge was relatively small, they also felt better to begin to use civil authorities to enforce uniformity, replacing pacifying love.(Council of Nicene). Did that work out any better ?

So let us hold on to our interpretative convictions, and each commune amongst ourselves , declaring what is lawful or not to others.

On some things I am sure the Lord is saying, " What is that to you, how a brother or sister relate to Me ?"

To an outsider, most communion services look and sound quite alike…and yet they must eventually hear of all the underlying “knowledge”, of what should be in man’s heart, of what is genuine, even lawful.

I wonder how Judaism kept “knowledge” properly so as not to cause splinters , lawfulness or unlawfulness, in their Passover ? Aren’t we supposed to have a better covenant ?

Yes, better, and worthy to be attacked by the enemy. Sometimes he can not subvert truth directly , but resorts to adding what may not be true, and calling it revelation.

 

[jcrichton]

She was not called by the Holy Spirit to convert until she was in her 80s. Only after she converted was she interested in reading as many Catholic writings as possible and learning everything she could about the Catholic Faith I’ve held dear all my life.

…or perhaps, as many, she did not answer the Call till she was in her 80s… this is the defining factor: personal acceptance of God’s Will:

30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. (Ephesians 4)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

…developed into religion?

Did you know that Abel Worshipped God and he acted in a religious way?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

…well Mom got me my first Bible way back when I was a child… but did I read it? …did I studied it? …did I put it to practice?

The problem with too many “Catholics” is that they put away everything the Catholic Church Teaches as soon as she Teaches it; some are quick to learn a few “quick answers” to keep the Priests/Nuns/mom happy… some, as you’ve suggested, blame the Church for not “revealing” the Truth–all the while the Church is Teaching that Christ, before He Gave His Life for sinners, took Bread…

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Well if the call is always present - as it was for the woman who converted on her 80s - then it is illogical to assert that it is God’s will for someone not to hear it immediately. He is not that capricious or inconsistent.

Hi, Lily!

I fully concur!

It is us who harden our hearts, minds, and spirits to His Call!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Each of us is obligated to follow our own conscience. In my experience, persons who are fervent non- Catholics are so because they believe with all their heart that they are responding to the call of God where they are (as I believe Billy Graham was). Since we don’t see things God’s point of view, we have to go on what we know, and what we believe has been revealed to us.

…which is the reason why Jesus Founded His Church–that man did not need to go it alone wondering if what he “feels” is right is what God wants. Remove the Guidance and Authority of the Church and you have millions upon millions sure that 'the Holy Spirit" is guiding them to “xyz.”

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mcq72]

Worship is not a celebration for Sundays and put it away for the next 6 days and 23 hours!

Maran atha!

Amen… and many Catholics are 24/7 (worship), and they will possibly site sacramental help to that end.

And many Ps’ are also 24/7 (worship), and will probably not cite sacramental help.

 

[jcrichton]

Very few would refuse the gift of knowing they are going to heaven for sure

The greatest reason this is faulty is because not once in Scriptures are we given this assurance, not by Jesus, not by Peter, not by Paul… none; not once!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mcq72]

and you have God’s counsel so you can tell that He wants thousands upon thousands of splinters in His Body, correct?

Maran atha!

Well, staying with OP, yes, sad that there are thousands and thousands of different Eucharistic views/doctrines amongst P’s…??