I think this is one of the hallmarks of being guided into all truth. There is a root, a foundation that goes back to where it started. Anything that is torn apart from that foundation is recognizable as a departure.
Yes sadly.Wannano:
I think this is one of the hallmarks of being guided into all truth. There is a root, a foundation that goes back to where it started. Anything that is torn apart from that foundation is recognizable as a departure.
Are you saying it is sad to have criteria by which we can determine what is a departure from the faith?
No, just the opposite really.Wannano:
Are you saying it is sad to have criteria by which we can determine what is a departure from the faith?
mcq,steve-b:
Your take that Reform (1500) must not be of God because that would be poor
HG guidance and leading into all truth, and letting the devil prevail, or that for 1500 years there was no voice of such need for reform, is a paradigm created out of opposition to another historical view, to the reform itself.
And what advice does Paul give to children? “Children, obey your parents in all things, for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.”
This isn’t sad for the Catholic Church though. This is the reason she can say the Truth belongs to her.guanophore:
Yes sadly.Wannano:
I think this is one of the hallmarks of being guided into all truth. There is a root, a foundation that goes back to where it started. Anything that is torn apart from that foundation is recognizable as a departure.
Of course that is your position based not seeing any departure in any way from the root.Wannano:
This isn’t sad for the Catholic Church though. This is the reason she can say the Truth belongs to her.guanophore:
Yes sadly.Wannano:
I think this is one of the hallmarks of being guided into all truth. There is a root, a foundation that goes back to where it started. Anything that is torn apart from that foundation is recognizable as a departure.
That wasn’t the reason Jesus sent the Holy Spirit? That there would be no departure? Isn’t that the Gates of Hell? Departure?
You think it is better not to know when someone has left the One Faith?
I think Wannano is saying its good to have criteria, but that the reformers knew the correct criteria.Wannano:
You think it is better not to know when someone has left the One Faith?
I thought that is probably what was being meant also, but it was confusing. Maybe that is because the Reformation doctrines that go back to the “beginning” were considered heresies?
No, sad it is when there is departure from the root of any kind.Wannano:
You think it is better not to know when someone has left the One Faith?
I am hoping I don’t get blasted from all sides as I am not prepared for that. Jesus sent the Comforter who comes and dwells in each individual heart filling it with Truth and all the attributes of God. How that individual allows the Holy Spirit to fill and lead them is totally up to them. Collectively believers make up the Church and yes Jesus promised that the Gates of Hell would never overcome it.Wannano:
That wasn’t the reason Jesus sent the Holy Spirit? That there would be no departure? Isn’t that the Gates of Hell? Departure?
I am not saying I believe the CC had it all wrong and/or that the Reformers had it all right. We are all men, prone to sin.guanophore:
I think Wannano is saying its good to have criteria, but that the reformers knew the correct criteria.Wannano:
You think it is better not to know when someone has left the One Faith?
I don’t know why you would get blasted for this. Catholics believe this too. We just don’t stop at this deficient definition of “church”. Although we are all individually members of the One Body, not all of us are given the same roles and responsibilities. The Church is identified by those who are in unity with the Apostles, and those they left to succeed them in Apostolic ministry (the Bishops). It is these who have the special charge to preserve the faith, feed and tend the flock. They are where the buck stops when something is “taken to the Church”. The Church was intended to be visible, and authorative, not invisible and “each one decides”.
The Risen Christ, death, resurrection, love, thankfulness, fellowship, remembrance, service…