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mcq72
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That is from your Catholic paradigm, a resacrifice but in an unbloody manner…we do only thanksgiving for, and remembrance for
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rcwitness
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That is a terrible and false accusation! You will never see “resacrifice” in Catholic Teaching!
You agreed that eating His flesh and blood is a figure of crucifying Him. I think it is a reference to that, but that by His instituting the Sacrament of His Supper, it means a proclamation of His crucifiction so that we can have the Spirit, and also that we can consumate out relationship to Him in the same flesh which brought us the Spirit.
You agreed that eating His flesh and blood is a figure of crucifying Him. I think it is a reference to that, but that by His instituting the Sacrament of His Supper, it means a proclamation of His crucifiction so that we can have the Spirit, and also that we can consumate out relationship to Him in the same flesh which brought us the Spirit.
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susanlo
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This quote is from Augustine’s Exposition on Psalm 34
This is meant figuratively. I addressed this quote in post #779 and post #1114, so I won’t go into detail about it again. Feel free to read and respond to those posts if you like.
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mcq72
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Sorry mean no misrepresentation…do you say re-present…its a “re” something…a rencatment of the original offering??
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rcwitness
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Re-present is appropriate i suppose.
Its a participation in the one time and for all time sacrifice. That sacrifice was not the Spirit, but the innocent and holy flesh of the Word incarnate Who was obedient to the Spirit for the sake of our forgiveness, and resurrection.
Its a participation in the one time and for all time sacrifice. That sacrifice was not the Spirit, but the innocent and holy flesh of the Word incarnate Who was obedient to the Spirit for the sake of our forgiveness, and resurrection.
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Agathon
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It takes a lot to say someone is speaking figuratively when he clearly is referring to the literal.
“CHRIST WAS CARRIED IN HIS HANDS, WHEN IN GIVING HIS OWN BODY HE SAID, “THIS IS MY BODY”. FOR HE CARRIED THAT BODY IN HIS HANDS.’
‘When He gave HIS OWN BODY AND HIS OWN BLOOD, He took IN HIS HANDS what the faithful know; and in a certain manner (quodam modo) HE CARRIED HIMSELF, when He said, “THIS IS MY BODY” [1:10; 2:2].’"
And I checked both posts. You didn’t address ANYTHING I was speaking of.
“CHRIST WAS CARRIED IN HIS HANDS, WHEN IN GIVING HIS OWN BODY HE SAID, “THIS IS MY BODY”. FOR HE CARRIED THAT BODY IN HIS HANDS.’
‘When He gave HIS OWN BODY AND HIS OWN BLOOD, He took IN HIS HANDS what the faithful know; and in a certain manner (quodam modo) HE CARRIED HIMSELF, when He said, “THIS IS MY BODY” [1:10; 2:2].’"
And I checked both posts. You didn’t address ANYTHING I was speaking of.
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susanlo
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Were you able to find the posts? The numbers can appear to be off sometimes. You can also hit control+F and search in the topic for Augustine. I addressed a larger segment of Augustine’s writing. You may not agree with what I said, but I am just showing how he is using allegorical statements to make a point in regards to the Psalm. He isn’t giving a sermon on the Last Supper, but using the statement as a way to describe another point.
(If you search for “drummed” it will show just those 2 posts.)
(If you search for “drummed” it will show just those 2 posts.)
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guanophore
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Yes, we have lost the ancient of symbol wherein the symbol embodied that which it signified. Such was the case with the caduceus.
Of course I do, I am Catholic. I just don’t appreciate the need to rationalize, explain, define etc. things that are Holy Mysteries.
And I know that a significant percentage of Catholics who participate in communion every week do not accept the teaching of the Church, either. I think that Protestants who make a genuine spiritual communion are closer to what Christ intended than those who receive in an unworthy or unbelieving manner.
Really???
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mcq72
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Thank you for your frankness…peace
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mcq72
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yes…In hindsight we see the middle two events (Incarnation/birth, Calvary, Easter, Ascension) …the false disciples certainly liked Jesus as Messiah now, a king now (as did Satan), and somehow the “eating” is related obviously Calvary/death (can’t eat /drink of someone if they are alive) which puts a halt to their carnal expectations of Jesus (by His death), and if you don’t believe in that (need/prophecy for/of His death), you certainly won’t like Him exiting planet Earth altogether with Ascension…fascinating discourse
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mcq72
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I was thinking about this the other day…did anyone touch Him after resurrection ? Did He not tell someone not to touch Him, and not sure Thomas needed to touch His wounds, falling to his knees though…i overheard a Melkite say they do not dare touch the consecrated host, except for the priest,…perhaps due to what I am questioning…could he be touched after resurrecting ?
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rcwitness
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I think he could be touched, and Communion in the hand is definitely acceptable. I prefer it. I think directly to the mouth is a personal custom some prefer. I say whatever.
Im not sure why Mary couldnt touch Him. I was wondering this the other day. Maybe he meant not to hold on to Him, expecting Him to remain (and her emotional attatchment?).
Oh, another sign of His physical union with the Spirit, was when He breathed on the Apostles, telling them to receive the HS!!!
Im not sure why Mary couldnt touch Him. I was wondering this the other day. Maybe he meant not to hold on to Him, expecting Him to remain (and her emotional attatchment?).
Oh, another sign of His physical union with the Spirit, was when He breathed on the Apostles, telling them to receive the HS!!!
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Agathon
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A more accurate rendering would be “Stop clinging to me.”
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rcwitness
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I think the literal translation is closer to “do not touch me”.mcq72:
A more accurate rendering would be “Stop clinging to me.”
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Mea_Maxima_Culpa
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God allows us to do many things, all according to our free will. Sometimes these decisions aren’t good ones, and sometimes these decisions are only half-good ones. All the same, God utilizes our actions according to His will. People who choose to join a church apart from the Holy Catholic Church CAN and ARE servants of the Divine Will because God can use them to further His plan where we Catholics (or certain other sects) cannot always. These barriers tend to be the work of the Enemy. Whether they be anti-catholic historical inaccuracies and stereotypes, or other Christian sectarian persecution, God can and does overcome. IIRC it was Thomas Merton who said something like (and this is just a terrible paraphrase) “Even the faithless advance the will of God, whether they want to or not.” Despite it all, God’s will, WILL be done. By the blood of the martyrs or by the rule of law. Glory be.
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Agathon
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The Vulgate has “noli me tangere” which translates as “Do not cling to me.”
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guanophore
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No, there is no “resacrifice” in the Catholic paradigm. He died once for all. It is a representation of the once for all sacrifice.
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GKMotley
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Not a resacrice,
Not another sacrifice, not an added sacrifice, not a subsequent sacrifice, not a memorial sacrifice, not a follow-on sacrifice, not a repeated sacrifice, not a successive sacrifice, not a later sacrifice. A re-presentation of The Sacrifice, the One Sacrifice,offered and completed once at Calvary, offered before the Throne, beyond temporal limitations; time and eternity meeting at the altar, at the hands and words of the alter Christus. The Sacrifice of the Mass is one. And we are brought to it, in the Mass.
Not another sacrifice, not an added sacrifice, not a subsequent sacrifice, not a memorial sacrifice, not a follow-on sacrifice, not a repeated sacrifice, not a successive sacrifice, not a later sacrifice. A re-presentation of The Sacrifice, the One Sacrifice,offered and completed once at Calvary, offered before the Throne, beyond temporal limitations; time and eternity meeting at the altar, at the hands and words of the alter Christus. The Sacrifice of the Mass is one. And we are brought to it, in the Mass.
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Wannano
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Is there a difference between a representation and a re-presentation? They seem to me to be different.mcq72:
No, there is no “resacrifice” in the Catholic paradigm. He died once for all. It is a representation of the once for all sacrifice.
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