Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

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Did someone suggest that the Spirit and the Father also “suffered”?

I think that isnt likely. They dont experience suffering like a human.

I think God did forsake Jesus in the manner of saving and defending Him against His being harmed and killed.
 
Benadam said:
to that would be the unity of the Body of Christ and the Church. It is the sins of those who are members of His Body that He takes on Himself. It is said One Body I think it is a transfer that happens through love.
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Not sure i look at it that way…i tend to think Calvary is not a respector of persons, or covenants…tis for the whole world.those predestined to be saved and those who reject Him…not a Calvinist on this
 
So the Spirit can laugh but not cry.love but not stuffer. …lol…dont forget the shortest bible verse even sentence in the bible…
 
susanlo said:
have always had a hard time understanding what people believe actually happens intransubstantiation. What is it that actually and literally changes with the bread and wine?
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Well, what we believe is, it turns into Jesus.
 
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susanlo said:
If the difference is in how they are regarded, then that sounds like a symbol. In a symbol the meaning is changed, but not the item itself.
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Its how God regards the Supper. He regards them as the body and blood of His Son.
 
The Holy Spirit is the Comforter. How can the Comforter suffer?

Jesus suffered, for a time, and His Spirit comforted Him. He no longer suffers.

But im not claiming absolute fact here. This is my personal understanding.
 
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Well He is more than just comforter, and for sure He can deliver and for sure He can even bring you towards suffering.

The Spirit can groan, and He can be grieved, and He can suffer along with us…He is not always our escape hatch from suffering…I mean He did drive Jesus out to the wilderness…and I would think that what ever the Father can feel , so to the HG .Whatever the Son can feel, so to the HG.
 
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I never said we dont suffer, or shouldnt, or that the Holy Spirit doesnt lead us towards suffering.

Im saying that suffering is a human condition, not a pure Spirit. He leads, guides, gives understanding, posesses all knowledge. He is a Person. But He doesnt suffer, as in hunger, or thirst, or feel alone, or feel pain, or have needs, or feel remorse, or suffer loss, etc.

Jesus suffered much, on account of His human condition. He knew weakness, frailty, hunger, pain, missing loved ones, sorrow, etc.
 
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I think God did forsake Jesus in the manner of saving and defending Him against His being harmed and killed.
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No, the father was with Him. He chose the suffering. He knew the cup could not be passed, and He must drink of it.
mcq72 said:
i tend to think Calvary is not a respector of persons, or covenants…tis for the whole world.those predestined to be saved and those who reject Him…not a Calvinist on this
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He redeemed everyone, but not everyone chooses to take advantage of the payment.
 
Jesus was trying to tell those who watched the Crucifixion that He was the fulfillment of the Psalm He quoted.
 
guanophore said:
Calvin retained significant portions of the Apostolic faith, including infant baptism. He did value “the Lord’s supper” as an “ordinance”, though rejected Real Presence. This is where he came to odds with Luther, who believed more than just a spiritual communion.
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The Calvinist teaching on Communion is considered to be under the umbrella of “real presence.” He did not believe in transubstantiation or consubstantiation.
 
Benadam said:
Well, what we believe is, it turns into Jesus.
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But what does that mean? How do you explain this in 21st century terms? We know that its molecular composition is the same before and after the consecration, so it does not change in chemical substance. Catholics disagree with those who believe that Jesus is united to the recipient in invisible spiritual form. Catholics disagree with those who would believe that the meaning and significance of the elements of Communion change. It is not just how they are “regarded” - this would imply a symbolic change and not necessarily a “real” change. (I think of the meaning attached to a national flag vs. a pile of colored fabric. The fabric doesn’t change, but the flag is regarded to have a different meaning than the cloth scraps that fell to the floor while sewing it.)
So what "real"ly changes?
 
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God, the Father regards the bread and wine as no longer bread and wine, but exactly what the priest and congregation pray for it to be. The same substance which Jesus called His body and blood of the new covenant.

Not pretending to be real, but a heavenly reality known only through faith, not by carnal senses.
 
CatholiCISM and CathoLICS, are two different subjects…

CatholiCISM contains the fullness of Christ’s teachings. CathoLICS might - or might not - adhere to His teachings as they should. And of course those who call themselves Catholics and do not remain in Him by keeping His commandments, are what He calls the tares among the wheat.

The Catholic Church most definitely teaches correctly, and we can KNOW this because Jesus said hell would not prevail against His Church.

HIS Church.

And He said He would be with us always. However, this does not mean that all the members of His Church are living the authentic Christianity we are taught, as we should. As Fr. Groeschel once said, there are many Catholics who do not take full advantage of the grace that God has made available to us in the sacraments.

We have to remember that the Bible gives us these examples - in John 6:66, we read of disciples who followed Jesus that found His teachings regarding the necessity of eating His Flesh and drinking His Blood in order to have life in us too hard, and so left Him.

We ALSO have the examples in John 20, wherein He breaths on His Apostles and says whose sins they forgive are forgiven, and whose sins are retained are retained. Too, that blessed are those who believe and have not seen…

More lessons for us: in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, that even some who see a man raised from the dead would not believe, and the lesson of the prodigal son, who WAS considered dead until he came back and said he was sorry - and was of course, forgiven!
 
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