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It’s false.
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rcwitness
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BINGO!! Therefore, not a valid Christian denom.rcwitness:
For a Catholic sacrament, yes. But we’re not Catholic. We perform our sacraments differently. Remember, many protestants even disagree with how many sacraments there are.Alex337:
It sure does!!! Yet, the absence of water violates a necessary form of a valid Sacrament.rcwitness:
When you have time read it on depth. I knew we’re being quite combative on this and it no doubt biases you. But the baptism of spirit is a very real thing; the presence of the holy ghost means more than water or oil.Alex337:
I only skimmed, since I am quite busy.
If there is no water, it cannot be valid, according to the Catholic faith. You should know this, but you are desperately trying to ignore it.
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Any protestant denomination who disagrees with how many sacraments there are isn’t valid? You do know that protestants don’t do Catholic sacraments, right? They do their own sacraments. Unless you regularly take communion with the Anglicans?Alex337:
BINGO!! Therefore, not a valid Christian denom.rcwitness:
For a Catholic sacrament, yes. But we’re not Catholic. We perform our sacraments differently. Remember, many protestants even disagree with how many sacraments there are.Alex337:
It sure does!!! Yet, the absence of water violates a necessary form of a valid Sacrament.rcwitness:
When you have time read it on depth. I knew we’re being quite combative on this and it no doubt biases you. But the baptism of spirit is a very real thing; the presence of the holy ghost means more than water or oil.Alex337:
I only skimmed, since I am quite busy.
If there is no water, it cannot be valid, according to the Catholic faith. You should know this, but you are desperately trying to ignore it.
Friend, you seem intent on bending backwards to support your own bias. I need to go to sleep but if you honestly think that the only thing that makes you Christian is water, rather than the presence and belief in the holy spirit, then I think you are a touch odd.
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"Yet Christians have also always realized that the necessity of water baptism is a normative rather than an absolute necessity. There are exceptions to water baptism: It is possible to be saved through “baptism of blood,” martyrdom for Christ, or through “baptism of desire”, that is, an explicit or even implicit desire for baptism.Alex337:
You obviously never understood your Catholic Faith.
Thus the Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, are saved even if they have not been baptized” (CCC 1281; the salvation of unbaptized infants is also possible under this system; cf. CCC 1260–1, 1283). "
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Both of those situations end with somebody dying. The Quakers aren’t covered under those. Nobody is stopping them from correcting their heresies and coming back into the fold.
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Now you are raising a red herring. I never made or implied this at all.
Some Sacraments are recognized in Christian communities as genuine. Baptism is one, which affirms a valid Christian denomination. Therefore, Marriage is also a valid Sacrament among those denominations.
Protestants DO practice the Sacrament of Baptism. Quakers do NOT!
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end of the day your opinion means nothing, I followed God to where I am and it’s great. So I’m answer again to the name of the thread: yes.And Catholics tend to get pretty darn hateful when it happens. I’m more and more thankful after this thread that God took me elsewhere, when I was Catholic I never noticed how pretensions we could be.
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Yes we do. You just don’t like the lack of trappings we have around it.
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rcwitness
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According to you, it’s a Sacrament. According to the Catholic Church it’s NOT.
Very basic concept!
Very basic concept!
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Sorry dude, you may believe the Catholic church gets to decide what group is Christian but I’m pretty sure God decides who is. And I doubt He would say someone isn’t because they weren’t dunked in water.
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rcwitness
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Ok, so you are recognizing that the Catholic Church cannot recognize the Quaker religion as a valid Christian denom now!
That’s a step in the right direction!
That’s a step in the right direction!
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Alex337
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No, I said you may believe.
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Saint Paul says nothing about indignation and proper belief, but from partaking unworthily, which he later explains as carnality towards others members of the body/ congregation.
Again no evidence of Lutherans or Baptists suffering for their beliefs about and when partaking communion.
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It’s Church Teaching. Something you’ve rejected!
No.
Disagreement is not hateful. The problem is that You don’t like the answers you’re getting.
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And frankly at this point it seems like neither of you are interested in discussing so much as attempting to bully. Posting crude memes and flipflopping on your own position so much a politician would raise an eyebrow.
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You posted bullying memes; it is hateful.
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Again see no one dying when symbolically or consubstantially partaking.
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No, I said you may believe.
So should your priest friend, and according to the practice of a valid Baptism defined by the Catholic Church.
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He seems to think Quakers who believe in Christ, and me in particular who has even had a water baptism, qualify. You did too until you were asked to apologise for being rude.Alex337:
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No, I said you may believe.So should your priest friend, and according to the practice of a valid Baptism defined by the Catholic Church.
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He is mistaken about the Quaker religion. A valid Baptism is a necessary component for a denomination to be considered a valid Christian denomination.
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