Does God count it as sin if you leave Jehovah's Witnesses?

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Oh I could not even imagine going through that. I know they would have comebacks with mistranslated scripture left and right. I could only do it with Jesus’ help. Most of the elders in my congregation have become like spiritual fathers sense my parents are not JWs. Would I have to sit in front of a judicial committee if I’m an unbaptized publisher? I don’t remember. Oh, but it is so worth it. I love the Catholic Church so much. I wish I could have acted on what I have always known deep down to be the True Church. I would not have to go through all this mess. The father at my Church is great too, I think he’s going to be hanging out with the youth group on Sunday so I will talk to him about it. Thank you for you encouragement! It is always so encouraging to me to find that former Witnesses came to the true Church despite all the hardships they face with leaving the Society.
Dear Lenny,

of course you do not face to meet a judicial committee as an unbaptized publisher!
With your status they cannot disfellowship you. If you express your firm decision that you will leave the Organization, they will be disappointed, but only will make the public announcement in the congregation that you “are no longer an unbaptized publisher”. That’s it. They can’t do more in your case. - Please read in your “Organized to do Jehovah’s will”-book on page 157 (in my German edition).
The reason why I mentioned my meeting with the judicial committee was simply that I wanted to show you how much God helped me. Out of my own strength I would neither have endured all the questions, gazes and shaking of heads, nor would I have known what and how to speak so long. The Holy Spirit helped me, because I prayed so much for help.
Because they are not able to disfellowship you, you won’t be shunned. Thus you may have opportunities to talk to your ‘spiritual fathers’ and friends, and point them to our loving Lord Jesus. Who knows, maybe with God’s help they also maybe freed from the Watchtower-chains.
Also I think it’s a great idea to talk to your kind priest of your church. As you know, catholic priests have to give up many things in order to follow the call of Our Lord. Thus he will understand your nervousness and trouble and sorrow. I am sure!
I am so glad that you have so much joy in your church!
You are in my prayers, dear Lenny. Cling to Jesus. He loves you!

Much love, small sister
 
Hi small sister.

Like yourself, I was baptised and raised a catholic, and spent 15 years in the Watchtower, as a regular pioneer and ministerial servant, only to return to Rome 7 years ago along with my wife. The day after we disassociated, I bought two catholic bibles, a missal, and what I found valuable was buying the 7 volume ‘Conversations with God’ books. The conversation with god books has a commentary on the daily mass readings, and it was an ideal replacement to the daily text that the witnesses had to read everyday. This helped the two of us, get out from under the watchtower’s controlling mindset. I would also recommend reading the church fathers, and also read the catechism.

It’s not a sin if you leave the witnesses, that’s what the watchtower make you believe. You’re in our prayers.
Dear stitch,

thank you so much for your prayers!
As soon as I will be able to, I will read as much as I can, too. Good advice.
So the catholic books were even more convincing than the pioneer school?
Quod erat demonstrandum! 🙂
Yes, the Watchtower made us believe that it is a sin to leave it. Highly mind-controlling!
No wonder that so many JWs are struggling with depression. The brother who baptized me has just been hospitalized, because he became lost in depression. He was such a friend to me. Although he is the age of my father, he always was slow to talk, fast to listen. He is no more an elder now. His sister committed suicide. I will not be able to talk to him anymore.
How much I would have liked to help him to come out of the control of that cult. I tried to give him a call, but I have no chance to reach him. It’s devastating!

Thank you for your encouragement. Please tell your dear wife that both of you are in my prayers. May God bless you.
Love, small sister
 
small sister,
I just had to reply. No Catholic Priest should ever scold you for anything you have done. The Sacrament of Reconciliation, aka confession is not about the Priest judging us, but is about the Priest listening, maybe giving some advice and leading us as sinners back into Sanctifying Grace.

Do not be afraid. Fear is of the evil one. God has called you home and I know that he will give you all the Grace you need to make a good contrite confession and that your soul will be at Peace.

My prayers are with you.

In Christ,

Stan
Dear Stan,

Thank you for your kind reply. I understand your explanation of confession. And I know that God does not want us to be cowards. I know.

The priest of the Catholic Church that I visit even invited me to sit down with him and talk. He allowed me via email to visit the Mass. I told him about my background and he was so very loving in his reply. Just as all the readers on this site.
Yet, I wrote back to him that I just can’t meet him face to face. I don’t know how to explain it.
I just want to sit somewhere in the last row in church and be on my own. I just want to be near to Jesus. I don’t want to talk to people anymore. Writing is okay, but no more talking.
It’s just too much.

Thank you again. And may God bless you.
Love, small sister
 
Thank you all so very much for your kind replies!
Yes, the article helped and I have confessed to God. And I will read the early church fathers as soon as possible. - Yes, they replaced the Holy Spirit by the ‘Spirit Guided Organization’. - Well, I promised God to do His will by being a JW. So I actually did make a vow to Him.

I am really very thankful for your thoughtful words.
Hopefully others read your answers and benefit from them, too.
I am trying to move on with Gods loving help. I am clinging to Jesus’ hand as He guides me through this troubled times.

Thank you, and may God bless you.
Welcome sister!

The only point I can try to make is an extreme one…If you promised God to obey Satan, God would be VERY pleased if you were to eliminate Satan from the equation and simply obey Him and His Word!

I won’t say that the GB and the WT are Satan, but you have proven to yourself already that they are grand deceivers. Understanding how you have been brought into the WTBTS, You must “know where that comes from.”

Many blessings to you! 😃
 
Dear readers,
I am afraid that God Himself could count it as sin that I did not ‘pay my vow’ which I made at my baptism, namely to follow that organization. Deuteronomy 23:21 reads: “When you make a vow to The Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it, for it would be sin in you, and The Lord your God will surely require it of you.” (Also verse 23.)
The Church can release your from your vow.
What is your opinion? Does God want me to return to the Watchtower? What can I do?
I don’t think God wants you to return to a false prophet by whom you were deceived. Especially since you now know the WT is false. Talk to a local priest.
 
Dear Small Sister, May peace be with you and with your Spirit. God Bless you.
 
Hallo Katrin,

viele Grüße nach Deutschland. In welcher Gegend wohnen Sie?
Ich lebe nur zeitweise in der Nähe von New York, bin aber am Tegernsee zu Hause.
Danke für den guten Hinweis. Ja, laut Galater 3:23-26 sind Christen nicht mehr unter dem Mosaischen Gesetz.

Ich wünsche Ihnen Gottes Segen.
Herzlichst, small sister
Sie Glückliche! Tegernsee ist wo Leute wie wir Urlaub machen 😉
Ich lebe in Baden-Wuerttemberg.
How lucky you are! Where you live is where people like us go on vacation 😉
I live in Baden-Wuerttemberg.

Lassen Sie sich von G0tt führen und bleiben Sie auf diesem Weg, hören Sie auf G0ttes Worte im Gebet. Nichts passiert zufällig.
Alles Gute! 🙂
Katrin
Let G0d guide you and stay on these roads, listen to what G0d says to you in prayer. Nothing happens accidently.
All the best! 🙂
Katrin
 
Dear church militant,

thank you for your kind reply.

I have been baptized when I was a child.
So you say that I only have to go to confession and then return to the Catholic Church? That sounds so easy. But when I think about it, it would not be easy at all.

Since my last confession many years ago, so many things have happened. I have committed so many sins! I think I will not have the courage to tell anybody about all my faults. Only Jesus. He knows everything anyway.

I would not even know where to start to confess. I believe that the priest would scold me for being a stewardess, regarding the reputation I had as such in the Watchtower organization. Then the stigma of a shunned JW on top! He very likely would kick me out of the confessional!

But thank you again for your encouragement. I very much appreciate it.
Love, small sister
Dear Lady,
The priest will help you and it will be far easier than you may think. He also will not remember any of it.

Be not afraid. My return began with a confession that said,

“Bless me Father for I have sinned.
It has been about 35 years since my last confession.”

The dear old priest whistled softly and we both laughed and proceeded from there.

I walked out of there feeling better than I had in all those years.
 
Small sister, if you were raised Catholic, basically all you have to do to return to full communion with the Catholic Church is to go to confession. If I were in your shoes, I’d call the nearest parish and make an appointment with a priest to hear your confession and probably get some spiritual direction about this. Clearly, your foray into the Watchtower Society is bothering you on some level, some of which might be the loss of fellowship, and some of which might be the time you spent listening to their version of doctrine.

I have to admit that years ago, I found various Jehovah’s Witness literature left under my apartment door when I lived in New York. I read it. Thank heaven I had some background in Catholic Bible study prior to reading it, as it was, to say the least, confusing and disconcerting. I tossed out the literature, and confessed having read it, even though I wasn’t even sure it was a sin to do so. I mentioned how confused and disturbed I was by some of the points raised, and, far from scolding me, the priest explained that this is what happens when people get derailed from the teachings of the Catholic Church, which relies both on Scripture and sacred Tradition. You can find justification for the latter by noting that, at the end of the Gospels of John and (I believe, it’s early and I’m still working on my first cup of coffee,) Mark. At the end of those Gospels each writer stresses the point that Jesus did much more than had been written down.

Like I said, if I were in your shoes, I would go to confession and discuss your experience with the priest, and then stick as close as possible to the Sacraments as you can possibly manage. You can even ask the priest if he could recommend a solidly Catholic Bible study class for adults, and what edition of the Bible he would recommend. Mass readings are taken from the New American Bible, Revised Edition, and my own preference for daily Bible reading at home is the Revised Standard Version, Catholic Edition. In any case, you need a Bible that is accurate and contains all the canonical books, which only the Catholic editions would (Luther expunged several books, leading to a Protestant Bible of 66 books, and I have heard that Watchtower came up with their own translation, which is very distorted.)

A parish-based Catholic Bible study will put you in contact with other parishioners and you will start to establish friends and fellowship there. Plus, most parishes have all sorts of activities, some educational, some purely social, which will help with fellowship as well. All you have to do is go, and be consistent about going to some of these things. Sooner or later you’ll become a familiar face, and one of the group.

Priests generally, contrary to popular opinion, do not scold or “yell at” people in confession, especially people who are returning to the Catholic Church. And they have pretty much heard it all if they’ve been ordained for more than a couple of years. They have heard so much that they quite literally can’t remember who said what, according to a couple of priest friends of mine when I asked them that question. And they are under the seal of the confessional: They cannot reveal anything that a penitent says to any one, including law enforcement, the government, etc., under pain of excommunication. They can’t even discuss it with another priest. Not even the Pope himself! No priest is going to risk his eternal soul by breaking the seal of the confessional. While you’re there, ask for advice on getting yourself back up to speed. The Church has changed somewhat, and what you may remember as foreboding is now welcoming.

While you’re at it, get your hands on a copy of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Catechism of the Catholic Church. It’s online at the USCCB website.

Go, and experience the love of God in His great mercy through this wonderful sacrament. And welcome back home!
 
Dear Small Sister & Yellowbird:

You are both so very blessed! Wow!
 
Dear readers,
I have been a Jehovah’s Witness until I disassociated myself from the Watchtower 3 months ago after intensive research. Consequently I am shunned. Beside the fact that I am now viewed as an apostate who willingly acts against God and that they “handed [me] over to Satan” (see 1.Tim.1:20), I am afraid that God Himself could count it as sin that I did not ‘pay my vow’ which I made at my baptism, namely to follow that organization. Deuteronomy 23:21 reads: “When you make a vow to The Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it, for it would be sin in you, and The Lord your God will surely require it of you.” (Also verse 23.)

My secret research led me to the conviction that the Watchtower organization is not only a false prophet (see Deut. 19:20-22), but also a misleading teacher who willingly manipulated the Word of God by false translation of key verses. I collected so many evidences of such mistranslations and know how they control the mind of all Witnesses.
Still, I have made a vow " voluntarily", and I can’t see any way of ignoring the verses above.

What is your opinion? Does God want me to return to the Watchtower? What can I do?
Wow, incredible. God really is removing the viel off JWs, I am in the same situotation sort of. I started studying with my JW grandmother about 2 years ago and I still am atm. I believed everything she told me vecause I didn’t know anything about the Bible and she ke_pt telling me bow everybody but JWs will make it through Armageddon and how its near scared me so I made myself believe it anymore. A month ago I finally did some research on the NWT and how they delibratley mistranslated John 1:1, John 10:33 (which is laughable because claiming to be a mere angel isn’t punishable by death) and in John 20:28 where Thomas calls Jesus his Lord and God and Jesus never rebuked him. I also looked into the false prophecies and realized this is not Gods true organization and its a brainwashing cult!IDK why I started looking into Catholiscim I just don’t remeber how but I did and here I am wanting to convert to Catholicism lol. I’m onlhy 17 and don’t have a liscence so I can’t drive myself to Mass. Let me just say thank God I never got baptized as a JW. Are story is very similar and its funny how you started this thread on the day of my Birthday. I think the Holky Spirit is guiding us to truth in all honesty.
 
Leaving the WT Society was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done. I loved my brothers and sisters and I loved attending the meetings. But like you, I slowly became convinced that what I had been taught was not true. I didn’t doubt their dedication to serving Jehovah - but unfortunately they had been brainwashed just like me.

It took me years to totally get over them… I’d have moments of panic like what if they were right? As time has gone on, it has become easier because obiviously their prophecies failed.

The generation of 1914 → all through the 1980s and early 1990s that’s all we talked about. I was in my late teens, early 20 and my whole life was based on knowing the system HAD to end because that generation would not pass away. Why bother with college? Why plan for anything… we were most certainly in the very last days. With each new year, we’d say well this is it…

and yet here we are 2013. That generation DID pass away, as did. the millions now living from 1925 who they said would never die → dead. It makes me sad to know that so many good and faithful JWs lived their entire lives for a lie.

Here’s what helped me:
I read my Bible - a lot. Not the NWT - it’s been altered. I bought a regular American Standard Bible - and read it and prayed for Jehovah to give me understanding. I told him all the tme that I loved Him, and asked him to show me the TRUTH. He did.

I found an ex-JW support group. They were wonderful people - former elders and overseers who loved Jehovah but like us, discovered the organization did NOT speak for Him.

I started reading books about the early Church. It looked nothing like the WT Society - nothing at all. It looked like the Catholic Church - which shocked me… the whole whore of babylon thing was hard to overcome. But God was patient and allowed me lots of time to come around.

My spiritual life today is beyond what I could’ve ever imgained as a JW. I truly love God with my whole heart, soul and mind, and I love His son, Jesus. I pray the same for you, my dear sister.
Wow great story!Praise God for blessing you with truth!Its funny because today my grandmother said I might not even graduate before Armagddon comes…
 
When you made the vow you thought that the Society was the true congregation of God. I see it as this if there is any sin at all in this it would be of making the vow in the first place. It’s like if you mad a vow to murder someone it would be sinful but even more sinful if you actually do it. You can’t do God’s will by being one of “Jehovah’s Witnesses” because you can’t even get a legitimate baptism as a JW (In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) I understand how you must be feeling. I started studding with a Witnesses in my hall when I was 13. I am 16 now. I have already became and unbaptized publisher and have made many close and loving friends. It’s truly a family feeling. I have not told them I am going to convert to Catholic Church and I am really nervous about doing so. I am sorry it has to be so hard. It is worth it though. I always doubted that the Society was teaching the truth but now I know that the Church is truly God’s Church and I have found so many people in the Church that is more than willing to help me through this difficult period. Never give up hope. God is directing you. The Truth will really set you free.
Are your parents JWs?
 
Hello “small sister”.

I see you list yourself as “raised catholic, shunned JW, clinging to Jesus’ hand.”

Come on back home, we’d all love to have you back here.

I think you answered your own question in your first post.

You said:
"When you make a vow to The Lord your God, . . . .
You also said:
My secret research led me to the conviction that the Watchtower organization is . . . .a false prophet . . .
But notice what the Bible verses you sighted DOESN’T SAY . . . .
PHANTOM NON-EXISTENT VERSE When you make a vow to a false prophet you shall not delay to pay it, for it would be sin in you, and The Lord your God will surely require it of you."
The mind control methodology that the Watchtower routinely employs in my opinion, lends itself to you having these ongoing doubts. That will get better over time and with grace but the injury causes a lot of damage.

Cult in this bad or negative sense (there is a good sense to the word “cult” too but I am not using it that way here) means **control **who your friends are, **control **your money, **control **your time, **control **what you read (“If you read Catholic stuff you will be eating off the table of satan” they will keep telling you), **control **where you go on vacation, control, control, control.

Mary Kochan does a good job of explaining all this from an ex-witness point of view. I’ve listened to her old 3 part audio at least a couple of times (“My Journey from the Watchtower”). It is amazing.

May I recommend getting back to Confession (you said you were an ex-Catholic). You will need to be very careful at this stage for good spiritual guidance. Probably the best thing you can do is to find a Catholic Priest who knows and believes ALL the Catholic faith. Search prayerfully and carefully.

Go to Eucharistic Adoration at a Catholic Parish too. Bring your study materials and read them there as well as at home—you’ll understand WHY later.

May I recommend to you a couple of Mary Kochan’s audio series?

Inside the Watchtower” and “Meeting The Challenge of the Cults” look very good. The one I have doesn’t seem to be available anymore or they may have just re-titled it (they do that sometimes).

I don’t work for St. Joseph Communications and I get no royalties etc. from them so I feel I have complete freedom to recommend their audios—and I DO recommend them.

God bless.

Cathoholic
 
I usually don’t watch TV, but I will certainly have a look into EWTN. Thank you for that tip.
For me the most difficult thing is to know that I am Jesus’ friend. As a child I shared my whole life, every thought with Him. But then I rejected to talk to Him anymore, because I learned as a JW that only Jehovah is the hearer of prayers. That was so wrong!
I know that God is love (1. John 4:8), and that He forgives if one truly repents. His mercy is beyond our thinking. It is just so difficult to forgive myself.
Read the first eight chapters of Romans, preferably in a non Watchtower Society Bible, if you want to get a sense of the love of God, and the love of Jesus. If you are still having a hard time forgiving yourself, reread it, and keep on reading and meditating on it until you are convinced of His loving care and mercy for all of us.

If your cable carrier does not have EWTN, you can watch it live online. Here’s the link

ewtn.com/tv/ There are also a lot of specifically Catholic radio stations that carry EWTN programming. You might find them convenient and edifying as well.

One show I would really recommend is called “The Journey Home,” which has guests who explain and share about their journey to Catholicism. I believe there have been a few Jehovah’s Witnesses on the shows a couple of times.

I hope that God grants you peace of mind and firmness of purpose as you advance in the freedom of faith in all Three Persons of the Holy Trinity, and all the joy, beauty, and freedom that our Catholic faith has to offer.
 
Greetings small sister,

I hope you will find this helpful, if not ironic. Official JW literature says vows made to God are not always binding. The link below is to the JW “Watchtower Online Library”, to an article from the November 15, 2002 Watchtower, Questions From Readers, “Are vows made to God always binding?”. It says in part “What if a vow called on one to do something that was later learned to be out of harmony with God’s will? … Obviously, such a vow is not binding.”

wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002847

Like I said, ironic. Forgive me for doing a JW-like quote of two sentences out of an article, complete with the “…”. (trying to be humorous here). But seriously, the fact that the Watchtower itself says this, might help you let go of the concern. For anyone who might think it bizarre that a Watchtower article would help, please understand how difficult and complex it is to escape the JW mindset. I’m encouraged to read on this forum of so many who like me are finding their way to the Catholic faith, through a painful and often confusing journey.
 
Yes…good points…

Jesus gave Peter the authority to bind and loosen.

False prophets are not given authority by God to bind, so you are bound to nothing.

Christ’s gift to you is liberality, inner freedom and joy, not bondage, and not into some kind of belief system that props itself up putting down and invalidating, and even condemning other faiths.

Christ stands before the door of the heart of every human being, and every human being has innate dignity and worth, based not on one’s self but that one is created by God in His image and being – free will and intellect.
 
I would not even know where to start to confess. I believe that the priest would scold me for being a stewardess, regarding the reputation I had as such in the Watchtower organization. Then the stigma of a shunned JW on top! He very likely would kick me out of the confessional!

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Why on earth would any rational priest scold you for having worked as a flight attendant? Despite some stereotypes, most of which I doubt have much basis in reality, that is an honest and responsible job. You’re responsible for the well-being and in part the safety of your passengers, you have to deflect some ridiculous behavior on the part of some male passengers, and ever since 9-11, you have to be particularly aware of any unusual or dangerous activity on the part of a passenger and be prepared to act immediately and effectively. You might be called on to administer lifesaving first aid to a passenger with a sudden medical emergency until the plane can land. And on top of all that, you have to smile while you do so.

There is absolutely nothing illegal or immoral about that job. The fact that some people in your previous religious affiliation seem to think it is a morally questionable job just points out to me how irrational some people can be about things of which they have little knowledge.

And as far as being a “shunned JW,” I’d be willing to bet, say, a dozen cream donuts that Father would congratulate you for getting out!
 
I am sorry for not replying for so long. I was struggling with depression.
I 'll try to answer soon, I just can’t now. Thank you all so very much for your encouragement. You all truly mirror the love of Jesus.
Everything just seems to be hopeless and empty.
To those of you who studied with JWs, please don’t let them tell you that you are on Satan’s side if you won’t join them! If you think too long about all they say, you can’t get rid of it in your memory. It’s devastating!
Cling to Jesus. Don’t let anyone come between you and your Lord Jesus!
It feels terrible to be lost! Learn from my mistake!
Love, small sister
 
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