Does God ever Lie?

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Isn’t there a scripture some where that says that God doesn’t Lie?
 
"God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good? (Numbers 23:19)
 
Thanks… thats the one.

Now how does one reconcile that with this verse?

Ezek. 14: 9
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

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Zakuska said:
Thanks… thats the one.

Now how does one reconcile that with this verse?

Ezek. 14: 9
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

:confused:
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Ver. 9. Err. He speaks of false prophets, answering out of their own heads, and according to their own corrupt inclinations. — Deceived, &c. God Almighty deceives false prophets, partly by withdrawing his light from them; and abandoning them to their own corrupt inclinations, which push them on to prophesy such things as are agreeable to those that consult them: and partly by disappointing them, and causing all things to happen contrary to what they have said. (Challoner) — God permits the deception, to punish both the impostor and his hearers. (Worthington) — Thus was Balaam treated, (Calmet) Numbers xxii. (Haydock) — He could do nothing of himself, (St. Jerome) 2 Kings xxii. 22. (Calmet) — Here also an interrogation might be used (Haydock) in Hebrew, “have I?” &c. (Feiffer dub. cent. 4. b. lviii.) — I have manifested the deceit, chap. xiii. 18.

This is from the Haydock commentary.

I know some don’t like cut and past but I hope this helps you.
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Zakuska said:
Thanks… thats the one.

Now how does one reconcile that with this verse?

Ezek. 14: 9
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

:confused:
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You’ve taken that verse out of context. With the verse that precedes it, it explains that the deception is part of a punishment against a false prophet.

From the NIV, in context:

7 " 'When any Israelite or any alien living in Israel separates himself from me and sets up idols in his heart and puts a wicked stumbling block before his face and then goes to a prophet to inquire of me, I the LORD will answer him myself. 8 I will set my face against that man and make him an example and a byword. I will cut him off from my people. Then you will know that I am the LORD. 9 " ‘And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt—the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.’ "
 
Thus was Balaam treated, (Calmet) Numbers xxii.
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I have to disagree there… because Balaam prophecied nothing but what the Lord told him to.
 
ibkc said:
You’ve taken that verse out of context. With the verse that precedes it, it explains that the deception is part of a punishment against a false prophet.

From the NIV, in context:

7 " 'When any Israelite or any alien living in Israel separates himself from me and sets up idols in his heart and puts a wicked stumbling block before his face and then goes to a prophet to inquire of me, I the LORD will answer him myself. 8 I will set my face against that man and make him an example and a byword. I will cut him off from my people. Then you will know that I am the LORD. 9 " ‘And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt—the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.’ "
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I fail to see how its been taken out of context. One verse says God doesn’t lie and the other says he does. It doesn’t matter that the prophet is true or false. Thats a red herring. Does God deceive or doesn’t he?
 
Zakuska said:
I fail to see how its been taken out of context. One verse says God doesn’t lie and the other says he does. It doesn’t matter that the prophet is true or false. Thats a red herring. Does God deceive or doesn’t he?
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God tells you He will let Satan have fun with your mind if you stray from Him.
 
Zakuska said:
Thanks… thats the one.

Now how does one reconcile that with this verse?

Ezek. 14: 9
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

:confused:
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Dear Zakuska,

Where do you get the translation from? My version of Ezek 14:9 is “If a prophet gives a false message, I am (God) the one who caused that prophet to lie”. That should means that to a false prophet, God will reveal the truth, so all people will see the wrong things out of that false prophet. It is nothing about God who lies.
 
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