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alitaptap
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I’m just curious. I hope this will not be our ticket to sin but to give hope to those who think their lives are ruined because they have sinned in the past.
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Advocatus_Fidei
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Nope He expects us to be perfect, however He is an all merciful and forgiving God luckily for us.
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PatriceA
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I don’t think he expects us to be perfect, I think he expects us to do our best to live by his commandments and to live out our faith to the best of our abilities. But he knows we have faults, and will be tempted and he did create the sacrament of reconciliation, so he had to know we wouldn’t be perfect.
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Advocatus_Fidei
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Christ: “Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matthew 5:48
“Therefore take unto you the armour of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and to stand in all things perfect.” Ephesians 6:13
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PatriceA
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Really? You want to turn this into some kind of debate? You said your opinion, I respected yours, please do the same for mine. The OP is taking a poll, not asking for a debate.
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Scoobyshme
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Well, considering the nature of God, He doesn’t “expect” anything. When we use the word “expect” it is in relation to “what may happen.” This cannot be so for God, because He is eternal and outside of time.
God does not “foresee” the future, but “sees” the future like you and I see the present moment. So, at this present moment, God sees every second of your existence, all at once. There is no anticipation or expectations. He just sees it all, now. He is currently looking at every mistake we’ve made, are making, or will make. He knows our ultimate end, too.
But, God is also infinitely merciful while we are alive. We have the Sacrament of Confession, and His grace to help us repent and get things right with Him before we die.
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prstoessel
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Let’s be clear about what perfect means in this context. I could write about this, but someone else already did. Please read this for a fairly succinct definition:
ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/CATHDIFF.htm
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Ponyguy
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Seatuck
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He gives us the grace necessary to be perfect but also gives us the Sacrament of Confession for when we aren’t.
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Desertsailor
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Define mistake.
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EmeraldWings
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God expects us to make mistakes because we are to reach for perfection, not obtain it all at once, we are here to learn and grow, and to learn and grow means we are not perfect, and will make mistakes.
God is also all knowing and knows very well that we certainly will make mistakes, and He expects it because He knows us better then we know ourselves,
although you could also say that God doesn’t “expect” us to make mistakes, because He is without time and already knows the mistakes we will make.
to “expect” something means to “look forward” and regard as something likely to happen, in which case God does not do because He lives in the past, present, and future all at once like the here and now, and does not “look forward” into what He is already in.
i’ve kinda contradicted myself in each opinion d: but there’s two different ways of looking at it anyways.
God is also all knowing and knows very well that we certainly will make mistakes, and He expects it because He knows us better then we know ourselves,
although you could also say that God doesn’t “expect” us to make mistakes, because He is without time and already knows the mistakes we will make.
to “expect” something means to “look forward” and regard as something likely to happen, in which case God does not do because He lives in the past, present, and future all at once like the here and now, and does not “look forward” into what He is already in.
i’ve kinda contradicted myself in each opinion d: but there’s two different ways of looking at it anyways.
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LittleBits
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The good Lord knows that we r not perfect and will fall. He wants us 2 do better, learn from our mistakes and not dwell on them. Making mistakes is how we as humans grow, and hopefully develop our moral, and spiritual compass. That we r humans means that we will do wrong from time-2-time, it is what we do after we mess up that God cares about…
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Newbie2
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Isn’t this the CAF FORUM?
I agree. We have to be mindful that words like “expect” and “to be” don’t apply to the Almighty, as he is outside of time.
Can we say that he wants us to be perfect? Yep. Can we say that he understands that we cannot be so, being imperfect creations? Yep.
I think it better to say that he expects us to try to be perfect.
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Lightbee
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I think God is not particularly surprised when we make mistakes. 
I keep thinking of the verse:
“All things work together for good for those that love the Lord”.
Not just those who do good, or those who don’t make mistakes. All you gotta do is love the Lord, “Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you”.
We are called to seek, not to achieve (though, of course, hopefully we will manage to achieve - most of the time!!!)
I keep thinking of the verse:
“All things work together for good for those that love the Lord”.
Not just those who do good, or those who don’t make mistakes. All you gotta do is love the Lord, “Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you”.
We are called to seek, not to achieve (though, of course, hopefully we will manage to achieve - most of the time!!!)
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bilop
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God KNOWS we will sin, even the Saints. That’s why he gave us confession.
Of all the people who ever lived, only Jesus and Mary (and perhaps John the Baptist) did not commit sins.
God Bless
Of all the people who ever lived, only Jesus and Mary (and perhaps John the Baptist) did not commit sins.
God Bless
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Desertsailor
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I hate to be a party pooper, but a SIN is not a MISTAKE. A Mistake is when you turn right instead of left or when you use salt instead of sugar because they look alike. A sin is an intentional offense against God.
No, God doesn’t expect you to murder anyone or pump your secretary or steal from your employer. God expects you to go to Mass on Sunday.
I also object to the use of the word “too” in the op. Too means also or in addition to. Who is the line, “Does God expect us to make mistakes too?” referring to.
No, God doesn’t expect you to murder anyone or pump your secretary or steal from your employer. God expects you to go to Mass on Sunday.
I also object to the use of the word “too” in the op. Too means also or in addition to. Who is the line, “Does God expect us to make mistakes too?” referring to.
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EmeraldWings
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A sin is a sin whether you mean to do it or not, and whether you know it’s a sin or not, the only difference between knowing and not knowing, or whether it’s intentional or not, is that it’s either mortal, or venial, but it’s always a sin,
for example, if you commit the sin of fornication, but you had no idea that it was a sin, even though that particular sin is grave, the fact that you didn’t know means that it is not mortal for you, but it is still venial,
the only difference between sins is venial or mortal, because no matter how or why you did it, it is still against the eternal law of God, which is a natural order not “created” but just as God is eternal, so is His law, which is not an order separate from God, but instead coming from His very being, because His “law” is in direct being with Him, whereas anything evil is what is “without” Him,
and so, any sin, whether intentional or not, is still a sin, simply because it is against Him and without Him,
when we are told that sin is a deliberate transgression, that means that it is something that we do of our own free will, which cannot be forced onto us in any way, we can only sin freely, you cannot be forced to sin, and if someone does force you to do something, it’s not your sin, it’s theirs.
you are right in what you say that “sin is an intentional offense against God”, but the meaning of that is not that we do not sin if we don’t do it on purpose, it just means that it’s done willfully, whether we know it’s a sin or not, it’s just that it’s not mortally sinful then.
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JohnDamian
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If by expect you mean predict the answer is yes; as he knows what your future free actions are.
If by expect you mean tolerate the answer is no; unless one seeks forgiveness.
If by expect you mean tolerate the answer is no; unless one seeks forgiveness.
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fhansen
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Of course God wants us perfect. He wants us to be perfectly whoever He created us to be-this is our holiness and anything other than that means evil is still in the mix to some degree or another. Why would He-or us for that matter-desire anything less? And while He’s patient while we experiment and struggle with sin, His will is to have His way with His creation, in whichever manner His wisdom dictates. And His will, in time, will be done.
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Newbie2
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I dunno, I sort of agree but can see where a sin can be a mistake in the sense that it is a bad decision. For example, I made the mistake of staying out too late once as a kid, knowing that I’d catch hell when I got home, but I still did it intentionally, and that decision to do it was a mistake.
I do agree that it’s not a mistake in the sense of merely choosing the wrong option between two equally moral choices.
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