Does God Give us Babies?

[PaulinVA]

Ah! Now I get it!

The mystery of how free will and God’s omnipotence (where He can and does do ANYTHING, and everything is effected through Him according to HIS eternal plan) can exist simultaneously is not a solvable thing in human terms. You must simply accept that the two things are in fact true at the same time, and the “reconciliation” of this mystery we’ll find out when it’s time for us to do so (heaven and hell).
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So, I agree can do anything he wishes in this world. The question is, does he? How often?

I understand that we cooperate with him to be cocreators, but if we miss the fertile time, does he alter the fertile time to ensure he “gives us a baby”?

I guess maybe it’s just all a mystery.

 

[hasikelee]

I understand that. But, at the same time, there is a very good chance of pregnancy occurring if a couple hits the fertile time just right, and a zero chance of pregnancy if it’s the last day of a cycle.

So, God created nature. Does he regularly intervene? Did he decide to create my children, or were my wife and I cooperative with Him by doing our best to hit the fertile time so that nature (God’s created rules) could do the rest?

That’s not entirely scientifically true and it depends upon a multitude of factors including sperm count, uterus position, ovulatory periods, hormones, etc.

Perhaps another way of looking at it would be to say God moves things around so that it is “just right.”

Also, I find it offensive that you believe it a bad thing when prostitutes, drug addicts, or other people you consider “less” have babies. Plenty of people have been born of parents who weren’t absolutely perfect like you must be. Dig around in history and find out how many important, famous, amazing people came from hard situations.

 

[deb1]

I’m a child of all of the above adjectives listed there. Was I not a gift from God? Maybe not to my worthless parents, but my grandparents who adopted me would probably beg to differ:shrug:

:hug1:Here is a big cyber hug for you homeward bound. Sometimes smilies say it all. I am so glad that you had loving grandparents to step in for you.

Any child is a gift from God, even if the parents are too ignorant to realize how precious this gift is.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

So, I agree can do anything he wishes in this world. The question is, does he? How often?

I understand that we cooperate with him to be cocreators, but if we miss the fertile time, does he alter the fertile time to ensure he “gives us a baby”?

I guess maybe it’s just all a mystery.

If you miss the fertile time it would be a miracle indeed!!!

God doesn’t USUALLY contravert His laws of nature, without good reason (obviously! ), but it certainly isn’t impossible.

But if the question is whether God’s “normal routine” is to ENSURE that every attempt at pregnancy prompts God to “make it happen whether its fertility time or not”, I’m gonna say No.

 

[homewardbound]

:hug1:Here is a big cyber hug for you homeward bound. Sometimes smilies say it all. I am so glad that you had loving grandparents to step in for you.

Any child is a gift from God, even if the parents are too ignorant to realize how precious this gift is.

Thank you

I believe God steps in sometimes to help people with say, creating a child, or something. Everything is His will and everything we get is a gift. Even the bad things in life can be helpful down the road. There’s a reason for it all even if we do not understand it at the time. Thats how I look at it anyway.

 

[Mayo]

We are taught to except God’s Will and that nothing is possible without Him. We really dont know what God’s plans are for us except that He wants us in Heaven. Auto accidents are caused for various reasons like speeding, running a Red Light D U I Etc…This is where God’s free will comes in . We make the decision if we are or are not going to do these things. We know beforehand what the end result can be… We know that God creates us so He does play a part in that. When people are killed in an accident I do beleive that was their time to die.
Sometimes I feel he shows us His plans. For instance. One of our son’s and his wife can not have children. They adopted two beautiful little girls from China. I feel it was God’s plan for these two children to be raised in a good Catholic Home with tons of love…
I hope this helps some.

Mayo

 

[PaulinVA]

Also, I find it offensive that you believe it a bad thing when prostitutes, drug addicts, or other people you consider “less” have babies. Plenty of people have been born of parents who weren’t absolutely perfect like you must be. Dig around in history and find out how many important, famous, amazing people came from hard situations.

I absolutely never said that.

I think your offense is with someone else, perhaps paperwight. I do not believe in eugenics.

 

[paperwight]

And I most certainly did not mean to cause offence to those born into bad situations.
But are all babies conceived in the best circumstances, as opposed to pure accident, due to the mother being drunk or co-erced? And are all babies born into loving families, who will keep them safe and happy?
Would a loving God ‘give’ a helpless baby into dangerous and abusive hands? The same God who warned against ‘casting pearls before swine’ ? (And before anyone jumps on me, - no, I am not calling drug-addicts swine, just quoting Scripture!).
If we believe in Free Will, it’s logical to accept that humans make mistakes and cause others to suffer. Actions have consequences.

 

[drafdog]

The question is whether or not a special act of creation occurs which results in a human being. The answer is that the Church doesn’t believe in “special acts of creation.”

Matthew

 

[hasikelee]

And I most certainly did not mean to cause offence to those born into bad situations.
But are all babies conceived in the best circumstances, as opposed to pure accident, due to the mother being drunk or co-erced? And are all babies born into loving families, who will keep them safe and happy?
Would a loving God ‘give’ a helpless baby into dangerous and abusive hands? The same God who warned against ‘casting pearls before swine’ ? (And before anyone jumps on me, - no, I am not calling drug-addicts swine, just quoting Scripture!).
If we believe in Free Will, it’s logical to accept that humans make mistakes and cause others to suffer. Actions have consequences.

So, what you are saying is because you believe you know what the best circumstances are, and you see things that don’t fall into your definition, therefore you have a good argument against the belief of “God’s Will.”

Or anything else for that matter. Ethnocentrism is the heart of selfishness, but it also closes our hearts and minds to the world. Sometimes it feels scary to recognize that others are different from us but still good. Maybe you aren’t king of the world and your beliefs don’t reign. That’s hard for a lot of people to accept, but your all-powerful feelings are not a very strong argument against omnipresent beings of the universe.

 

[hasikelee]

That’s not entirely scientifically true and it depends upon a multitude of factors including sperm count, uterus position, ovulatory periods, hormones, etc.

Perhaps another way of looking at it would be to say God moves things around so that it is “just right.”

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Paperwight, I find it offensive that you believe it a bad thing when prostitutes, drug addicts, or other people you consider “less” have babies. Plenty of people have been born of parents who weren’t absolutely perfect like you must be. Dig around in history and find out how many important, famous, amazing people came from hard situations.

 

[hasikelee]

I absolutely never said that.

I think your offense is with someone else, perhaps paperwight. I do not believe in eugenics.

Yes, I guess I got two people in one quote, sorry about that. I posted a clarified one.

 

[brotherjoe]

And I most certainly did not mean to cause offence to those born into bad situations.
But are all babies conceived in the best circumstances, as opposed to pure accident, due to the mother being drunk or co-erced? And are all babies born into loving families, who will keep them safe and happy?
Would a loving God ‘give’ a helpless baby into dangerous and abusive hands? The same God who warned against ‘casting pearls before swine’ ? (And before anyone jumps on me, - no, I am not calling drug-addicts swine, just quoting Scripture!).
If we believe in Free Will, it’s logical to accept that humans make mistakes and cause others to suffer. Actions have consequences.

I think the quesiton is, does God “ratify” our fallible choices by creating a soul in response (albeit simultaneously) to fertilization or was His original intent that every fruitful act outside of marriage, even rape, and other tragic circumstances result in a person He always intended to create from eternity and that all of these sinful acts were a necessary part of His plan? I find the former view, with certain qualifiers, more appealing.