Does God have the capacity to choose evil?

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Well, then it doesn’t appear that God has free will.
God can freely choose to do anything that is in harmony with His nature. God does not, however, have the free-will choice to choose to do an act that runs contrary to His nature. For instance, God cannot choose to steal because stealing goes against His moral laws (the Ten Commandments).
 
God can freely choose to do anything that is in harmony with His nature. God does not, however, have the free-will choice to choose to do an act that runs contrary to His nature. For instance, God cannot choose to steal because stealing goes against His moral laws (the Ten Commandments).
Well, if God created Adam with a nature to desire good, then how was it possible that he performed an act contrary to his nature?
 
God freely wills good because He is the Creator.:clapping:
But if he couldn’t have chosen otherwise then he really doesn’t have free will. (Human beings apparently have a capacity that God does not.)
 
“And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:” Genesis 3:22

Does God have the capacity to choose evil? If yes, why hasn’t he chosen evil? If no, then how does he know the difference between good and evil?
You don’t have to choose it-or even just be able to choose it-to know it. God knows everything so if evil existed, even only as an absence or diminishment of the good He created, He would know it. Man OTOH, was created innocent, himself a good part of creation, and with no need or reason to know evil.
 
So, why do we?
Because any created being necessarily lacks the perfection of God. Combine that less-than-perfection with sentience, rationality, and free will and the possibility of wrong choice is inevitable.
 
Because any created being necessarily lacks the perfection of God…
That is no correct. Creation is perfectly balanced since it can sustain itself. The good and evil also fully integrated in creation otherwise we could neither experience them nor perform them. Thus God did evil and good in act creation.
 
That is no correct. Creation is perfectly balanced since it can sustain itself. The good and evil also fully integrated in creation otherwise we could neither experience them nor perform them. Thus God did evil and good in act creation.
Alright. What does this mean, " Creation is perfectly balanced since it can sustain itself."?
 
Alright. What does this mean, " Creation is perfectly balanced since it can sustain itself."?
It means that there is a perfect balance between good and evil otherwise that would bias our beings hence our action.
 
Does God have the capacity to choose evil? If yes, why hasn’t he chosen evil? If no, then how does he know the difference between good and evil?
God does not have the capacity to choose evil because he is omnibenevolent. A being who is perfectly good, by definition, cannot have the capacity to be not good in even the tiniest manner. Only beings who are not perfectly good, such as angels and humans, have the capacity to be not good.

God knows the difference between good and evil because he is omniscient. A being who is all knowing, by definition, cannot lack any knowledge. Only beings who are not all knowing, such as angels and humans, can lack knowledge.
 
Well, if God created Adam with a nature to desire good, then how was it possible that he performed an act contrary to his nature?
When we describe the free will of God, I think it’s important to realize that we are beginning with God as the standard and not human beings. If we begin with human beings as the standard of what is good, what is evil, or even what is free will, then we may unintentionally deviate from what is true. Because if we are to describe free will strictly from the human point of view, which allows choices to be freely made between good and evil, then, according to that point of view, God would be without free will. But since God is perfect and therefore cannot choose evil, God’s free-will choices must work in perfect accordance with all His attributes. Consequently, God has the freedom to choose to do anything that is in agreement with His perfect nature.
 
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Well, if God created Adam with a nature to desire good, then how was it possible that he performed an act contrary to his nature?
When we describe the free will of God, I think it’s important to realize that we are beginning with God as the standard and not human beings. If we begin with human beings as the standard of what is good, what is evil, or even what is free will, then we may unintentionally deviate from what is true. Because if we are to describe free will strictly from the human point of view, which allows choices to be freely made between good and evil, then, according to that point of view, God would be without free will. But since God is perfect and therefore cannot choose evil, God’s free-will choices must work in perfect accordance with all His attributes. Consequently, God has the freedom to choose to do anything that is in agreement with His perfect nature.
You evaded my question.
 
Because any created being necessarily lacks the perfection of God. Combine that less-than-perfection with sentience, rationality, and free will and the possibility of wrong choice is inevitable.
If God created us in such a way that it is inevitable (your word, not mine) that we will choose evil, then why does he hold us accountable? Isn’t creator responsible for creating this “inevitability?”
 
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Originally Posted by KingCoil View Post
From my part, the challenge is not a valid statement because it contains within itself a self-contradiction on the part of the challenger.

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It would appear that you are complaining about the question because of what it might imply. Either God has the capacity to choose evil or he does not. If God does, then why hasn’t he chosen evil? If God doesn’t, then it would appear that God doesn’t have free will.

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I am just interested to motivate you to see into the self-contradiction of your challenge, namely:
“Can God choose to do an act so evil He cannot do it?”

Which is in the same category as this one:
“Can God create a rock so heavy He cannot carry it?”

Consider that in each of the two statements above, there are two clauses.

Continue from there and see that there is self-contradiction from your part, so your speech is not coherent and consistent.

KingCoil
 
If God created us in such a way that it is inevitable (your word, not mine) that we will choose evil, then why does he hold us accountable? Isn’t creator responsible for creating this “inevitability?”
I said free will in created beings made the possibility of sin inevitable. He apparently values our freedom-and the better and better choices we can come to make with that freedom, and the greater and greater justice this can produce in us, enough to endure the bad choices, knowing that the bad choices, whether our own or others, can help us learn, the hard way, not to embrace or make them again. We’re here to learn to detest evil, and run to the good, having experienced-or known-both. As it is we’re often still attracted to less than savory behavior and decisions-and to blame God for them is to cower from accepting our own moral responsibility. God deemed that our existence-even in this world messed up by sin-is worth it. I agree, especially in light of what He promises in the end.
 
I am just interested to motivate you to see into the self-contradiction of your challenge, namely:

“Can God choose to do an act so evil He cannot do it?”

Which is in the same category as this one:
“Can God create a rock so heavy He cannot carry it?”
His point is to take your point to contradiction as you notice. It is contrary because the we accept that God is good so how God could create something which can do evil accepting that that is God who is omnipotence, not us.

The main question is: Can God create a being who could do something that God cannot? The answer is either yes or no. You mentioned that that this contrary hence God cannot create a being that which can do evil.

The answer “yes” is also contrary since the creation in general is an integration of good and evil otherwise we cannot do evil, yet God is good so how we could perform evil?
 
The main question is: Can God create a being who could do something that God cannot?
Certainly. 😃

Gold fish and skunks are beings.

As a child, did anyone ever have a gold fish which died?
Has anyone ever seen a dead skunk in the road? Did the smell come before sight?
What are cemeteries?
 
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Originally Posted by KingCoil View Post
I am just interested to motivate you to see into the self-contradiction of your challenge, namely:

“Can God choose to do an act so evil He cannot do it?”

Which is in the same category as this one:
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"Can God create a rock so heavy He cannot carry it?"
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His point is to take your point to contradiction as you notice. It is contrary because the we accept that God is good so how God could create something which can do evil accepting that that is God who is omnipotence, not us.

The main question is: Can God create a being who could do something that God cannot? The answer is either yes or no. You mentioned that that this contrary hence God cannot create a being that which can do evil.

The answer “yes” is also contrary since the creation in general is an integration of good and evil otherwise we cannot do evil, yet God is good so how we could perform evil?

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Dear Bahman, let us work out this conundrum with precision and few clear words.

The generic question, “Can God create a rock so heavy He cannot carry?”

That kind of a challenge is at the basis of all such challenges to God whereby God is shown to be not omnipotent, and wherefore in effect there is no God.

You see, there are two clauses in the statement, “Can God create a rock so heavy He cannot carry?”

The whole statement is self-contradictory, meaning that the speaker is contradicting himself, he is talking gibberish, because he is speaking with no coherence and consistency: so that if he were into giving a command of that nature, the person whom he orders to execute such an order will not know what exactly he wants him to do.

At the basis of this fallacy, yes it is a fallacy, is the transit from interactions between humans to interactions between God and humans, where God is portrayed as also a human.

Will you continue to analyze the statement from that point onward, that in the statement “Can God create a rock so heavy He cannot carry?” there is an illicit transit from interactions between humans to interactions between God and humans where God is taken to be also a human.

I notice that Centerpoint has not reacted to my invitation to him to do a close analysis of his challenge, perhaps he sees the light and now chooses silence.

KingCoil
 
]We’re here to learn to detest evil, and run to the good, having experienced-or known-both.
Questions:

Did God set up Adam and Eve for a fall in order that we may learn the difference between good and evil?

If God does not have to experience both good and evil in order to know the difference between the two, why do we?
 
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