Judgment involves that sometimes for some reason. God says he will only tarry so long.
Hmm. Who do they say killed Ananias and Sapphira?
What denomination are your parents?
They have their own theology it seems. My mom said “The holy spirit.” I said that’s God. Then she said “It was sin the sin killed them.” I said don’t try to think like a human being. To us, this seems cruel. But God’s ways are not our ways. I tried to get her to understand. I think she thinks that I’m trying to be argumentative when I’m only trying to get her to think. What she’s saying is irrational to me. God does not change and she accepts that but says because of Jesus (for some reason) God doesn’t do this anymore. As said elsewhere in the thread Mal. was mentioned and God doesn’t change. Does the church have any teachings on this? Why this judgment is sometimes meeted out and why. I told her God only tarries with sin for so long. I read Acts 5 in NIV, KJV, and RSE-CE. All say about the same.
Pentecostals basically left wing protestants.
Pretty brutal to us, yes. But to God evidently not. His ways are above ours.
It makes me wonder why this is not more widely spoken about? I went to catholic school up until 7th grade and NOT ONCE, did I hear about the many times when God caused the deaths of others, or instructed people to go kill other people, sometimes entire towns! It seems to me they just cherry pick the good stuff and leave out the stuff they dont want to talk about, that topic, the Nephilim, nature of Satan and his fallen angels, etc.
That topic is for a separate thread.
Yeesh, that’s rough. Pentecostalism is about as far from Catholicism as a Christian can get.
Yep, that’s what I figured. Although it’s true that ‘sin kills,’ given the Scriptural witness, nevertheless this is a reference to the fact that sin leads us to the eternal death of hell; Scripture doesn’t tell us that sin takes our (human) life.
Well I know that they say that masturbation is why God killed Onan. But most people don’t die from masturbation or God like he did. I have always thought because he had a very close relationship with God, much moreso than us God was especailly offended. She quotes “The wages of sin is death.”Yep, that’s what I figured. Although it’s true that ‘sin kills,’ given the Scriptural witness, nevertheless this is a reference to the fact that sin leads us to the eternal death of hell; Scripture doesn’t tell us that sin takes our (human) life.
If she really believes that sin causes human death, then she needs to deal with the notion that God is capricious – that is, that in a few cases, God allows sin to lead to human death, but in others, sin does not take our human life. Is God inconsistent? Of course not!
On the other hand, if God is not inconsistent, then shouldn’t every sin take our human life? After all, this was a case of bearing false witness; is she claiming that every offense against the Ten Commandments is paid for with our human life?
Actually, according to Genesis 38, Onan was killed because he refused to do his filial duty to his brother’s wife, Tamar, to whom he was obliged to provide a son (who would then be considered his late brother’s son, for the sake of inheritance). Instead, he simply used Tamar physically, making certain that she would not conceive through their intercourse.
Hmm… Onan was especially close to God? Onan, who was the second son of Judah by a Canaanite woman? Hmm…
What do you think about sickness? Does God put such things on people so they will repent?Actually, according to Genesis 38, Onan was killed because he refused to do his filial duty to his brother’s wife, Tamar, to whom he was obliged to provide a son (who would then be considered his late brother’s son, for the sake of inheritance). Instead, he simply used Tamar physically, making certain that she would not conceive through their intercourse.
Hmm… Onan was especially close to God? Onan, who was the second son of Judah by a Canaanite woman? Hmm…
And yes, “the wages of sin is death”. But here, Paul is contrasting ‘death’ to ‘eternal life.’ In other words, he’s talking about the fact that Christ has saved us from eternal damnation with His sacrifice that brings us eternal life. The wages of sin – what we ‘earn’ from sin – is eternal punishment; but that doesn’t mean that sin literally kills us on the spot, like it killed Ananias and Sapphira in Acts…
Wait, this is your mother! Why are you arguing with your mother???