Does God love the sinner in Quran

[TrueFaithSeeker]

Hello,

Does God love the sinners according to Islam, I’m little disturbed by the following passeges from the Quran:

“Allah loves not transgressors” (2:190);
“He loves not creatures ungrateful or wicked” (2:276);

“Say: ‘Obey Allah and His Apostle;’ but if they turn back Allah loves not those who reject Faith.” (3:32);

“Allah loves not those who do wrong” (3:57, 140);

“Allah loves not the arrogant, the vainglorious” (4:36).

“Say, if ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love and forgive you your sins.” (3:31)

It seems from these passages that God doesn’t love the sinners and this is very contrary to the Christian religion in which God loves everybody and all of us are sinners according to the Bible.

I would especially appreciate if Muslims reply to this post.

Thank you
God bless you
Khalid

 

[Verisimilitude]

I am of the opinion the god of the Koran is not the same God of the bible. With respect to if the god of the Qur’an loves the sinner the pasages you cite as well as many others, the answer is no. The words of the Koran indicate the god Allah is a master, and humans as his slaves.

The word(s) “love” appears 70 time(s) in 61 verse(s) in Quran in M. Khan translation.

Verily, Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in rows (ranks) as if they were a solid structure .
( سورة الصف , As-Saff, Chapter #61, Verse #4)

The word(s) “fight” appears 59 time(s) in 38 verse(s) in Quran in M. Khan translation.

Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghoot (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitan (Satan).
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #76)

The word(s) “peace” appears 108 time(s) in 102 verse(s) in Quran in M. Khan translation.

Verily, (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) the Grip (Punishment) of your Lord is severe.
( سورة البروج , Al-Burooj, Chapter #85, Verse #12)

The word(s) “love” appears in 184 Verses in the The New American Standard Bible

But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mt 5:44

The word(s) “fight” appears in 4 Verses in the The New American Standard Bible

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; 2Ti 4:7

The word(s) “peace” appears in 88 Verses in the The New American Standard Bible

"Whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace {be} to this house.’ Lu 10:5

 

[hamba2han]

God does indeed love sinners but on condition that they first sincerely repent their sins and wrongdoings as can be seen from numerous verses from the Qur’an, among them are these two examples:

“Allaah loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves”… [al-Baqarah 2:222]

“Say: O ‘Ibaadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allaah, verily, Allaah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”… [al-Zumar 39:53]

Those who sincerely repent all of their wrongdoings should never despair that their Creator will not grant them relief when they come back to Him, no matter how far astray they might have gone.

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:** “Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, says: ‘I am as My slave thinks I am, and I am with him when he remembers Me. If he remembers me to himself, I remember him to Myself; if he remembers Me in a gathering, I remember him in a gathering better than it; if he draws near to Me a handspan, I draw near to him an arm’s length; if he draws near to me an arm’s length, I draw near to him a fathom’s length; if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.”** Narrated by Muslim (2675).

 

[TrueFaithSeeker]

God does indeed love sinners but on condition that they first sincerely repent their sins and wrongdoings as can be seen from numerous verses from the Qur’an, among them are these two examples:

“Allaah loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves”… [al-Baqarah 2:222]

“Say: O ‘Ibaadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allaah, verily, Allaah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”… [al-Zumar 39:53]

Those who sincerely repent all of their wrongdoings should never despair that their Creator will not grant them relief when they come back to Him, no matter how far astray they might have gone.

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:** “Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, says: ‘I am as My slave thinks I am, and I am with him when he remembers Me. If he remembers me to himself, I remember him to Myself; if he remembers Me in a gathering, I remember him in a gathering better than it; if he draws near to Me a handspan, I draw near to him an arm’s length; if he draws near to me an arm’s length, I draw near to him a fathom’s length; if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.”** Narrated by Muslim (2675).

Dear hamba2han,

in Christianty, God loves us unconditionaly, wether we repent or not. Of course God want us all to repent and reach the Kingdom of Heaven.

This is what the Lord Jesus Christ says in the Bible of St. Mathew:
LOVE YOUR ENEMIES,
BLESS those who curse you,
DO GOOD to those you hate you, and

PRAY for those who despitefully use you, and persecute you

THAT YOU MAY BE THE CHILDREN OF YOUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN

(Matthew 5:44-45).

So Jesus Christ tells us to love unconditionaly everybody no matter who you are. Christ says to Love our enemies, enemies those who have not repented of their sins. Also, all of us are sinners, wether we have committed small or big sins; there is no one without sins. Our Lord Jesus Christ died for everybody’s sins wether we repented of them or not because He loves us uncoditionaly. When it comes to love in Christianity, we are supposed to love unconditionaly. Christ never told us to put conditions when we love somebody. Christ says to love one another with no conditions, this is the perfect and the pure love and this brings a great joy to people’s heart. The core of Christianity is loving unconditionaly and if we take this love(unconditionaly) we take God and we deny God. God is love and He loves perfectly with no conditions. God=Love and He loves perfectly and God the Father send his only Begotton Son, our Lord Jesus Christ and He was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and he died for our Sins (for all of us) because he Loves us unconditionaly. Christ committed no sins, but he paid for the penalty of our sins, which is death, so he would give us life in his Kingdom.

God bless you

Khalid

 

[tptram]

Love, by definition, is freely given.
God loves me before I repent. I, a human a sinner, cannot save my self. I need His freely given Love to begin the process of salvation; starting from the recognition of my sins and repent.

God does indeed love sinners but on condition

I need His Unconditional Love.
A sinner like me cannot on my own meet any God’s condition.
I need a God who loves me, an unrepenting sinner, to help me to repent and turn to Him.

This God is stopping at nothing to save me.
This God is John 3:16

Tak

 

[Kadaveri]

The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His beloved. Say: Why then does He punish you for your sins? Nay, you are but men whom He has created; He forgives whom He wills, and punishes whom He wills. To Allah is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the final journey. (5:18)

 

[Jedda]

i believe they are the same, the new testament preaches love from jesus, more or less, and the quran teaches that you must repent for your sins , more or less… Not so much that he is a vengeful or wrathful god but that you must try more to not sin and repent aka, ask for forgiveness…

my view anyways

 

[jack_hawkins]

more of a problem is whether or not God loves non-Muslims in the Koran as opposed to sinners
Islam is Arab supremacism, no more and no less - I have had this acknowledged by Muslims, that there is a hierarchy in Islam with Arabs at the top and whites at the bottom

 

[Jedda]

more of a problem is whether or not God loves non-Muslims in the Koran as opposed to sinners
Islam is Arab supremacism, no more and no less - I have had this acknowledged by Muslims, that there is a hierarchy in Islam with Arabs at the top and whites at the bottom

Arabs “think” they are special and “act” like they are special but they are much hated by the Muslims I know here in the U.S and Pakistan.

 

[jack_hawkins]

Arabs “think” they are special and “act” like they are special but they are much hated by the Muslims I know here in the U.S and Pakistan.

but unfortunately the insecurity felt by non-Arab Muslims eg Pakistanis and Somalis seems to fuel a greater commitment to violence and extremism among those nationalities, often financed by armchair extremists from Saudi Arabia

 

[Booklover]

The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His beloved. Say: Why then does He punish you for your sins? Nay, you are but men whom He has created; He forgives whom He wills, and punishes whom He wills. To Allah is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the final journey. (5:18)

Oh yes, the “us” versus “they” Islamic mentality!

 

[Kadaveri]

Care to explain how that is so Booklover?

more of a problem is whether or not God loves non-Muslims in the Koran as opposed to sinners
Islam is Arab supremacism, no more and no less - I have had this acknowledged by Muslims, that there is a hierarchy in Islam with Arabs at the top and whites at the bottom

Rubbish. There is no racial hierarchy in Islam, in Muhammad’s last sermon (so the excuse ‘oh that’s probably been abrogated…’ isn’t going to work) he said no Arab is superior to a non-Arab nor is any non-Arab superior to any Arab. And no white person is superior to a black person nor is any black person superior to a white person.

 

[Booklover]

Care to explain how that is so Booklover?

Because the Quran flatters the followers of Islam and disparages the unbelievers. That way Muslims won’t be tempted to become apostates.

Rubbish. There is no racial hierarchy in Islam, in Muhammad’s last sermon (so the excuse ‘oh that’s probably been abrogated…’ isn’t going to work) he said no Arab is superior to a non-Arab nor is any non-Arab superior to any Arab. And no white person is superior to a black person nor is any black person superior to a white person.

More taqqiya! If this were true, why do Muslims treat non-Muslims as unclean and second rate citizens!

Vickie

 

[Andromeda_Organ]

To me, it doesn’t seem like “God” loves anyone in the Quran.

 

[George_Waters]

To me, it doesn’t seem like “God” loves anyone in the Quran.

Ah, c’mon he loves himself, err Mohemmed… same thing anyway right?! Welcome to the forums!

 

[Andromeda_Organ]

Ah, c’mon he loves himself, err Mohemmed… same thing anyway right?!

Is there a new members forum?

 

[Kadaveri]

Because the Quran flatters the followers of Islam and disparages the unbelievers. That way Muslims won’t be tempted to become apostates.

I fail to see how that’s at all relevant to your earlier point. Especially since it was concerning a verse which was speaking against Jews and Christians having an ‘us vs them’ mentality, saying that God doesn’t favour any group over another.

More taqqiya! If this were true, why do Muslims treat non-Muslims as unclean and second rate citizens!

Again, how is that relevant in any way to what you were addressing? Do you think I just made that quote up? Do you even know what ‘taqqiya’ is?

 

[eliasaph99]

Ok. I’ll answer the voice of Muhammad. My answers in bold.

*The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His beloved. Say: Why then does He punish you for your sins?

**Because as a Father, He wishes His children to do right and disciplines them so that they will be lead to walk the narrow way. ***

Nay, you are but men whom He has created;

His having created us is not at odds with His Fatherhood. The two are not contradictory. Fatherhood is about the relationship between two persons. Moreover, God has described Himself to us in this way.

He forgives whom He wills, and punishes whom He wills.

**This is true, but the way you have stated it makes it seem as if He does this without rhyme or reason. That would be a god of intimidation and fear. We would all be like the servant of the angry master, constantly on edge because wrath might be poured out on us without cause.

But God is rational and reasonable, His actions are not willy-nilly. He is the just judge and is able to take everything into account. Most importantly, He has revealed His will to us in His Son and His Prophets.**

To Allah is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the final journey.

Yup. This sentence seems a little out of place. It’s a sort of doxology, but it’s odd here. (I am reading the word ‘Allah’ as God as I understand that it has come to mean God in the Arabic language now.)

(5:18)

 

[eliasaph99]

God does indeed love sinners but on condition that they first sincerely repent their sins and wrongdoings as can be seen from numerous verses from the Qur’an, among them are these two examples:

“Allaah loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves”… [al-Baqarah 2:222]

“Say: O ‘Ibaadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allaah, verily, Allaah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”… [al-Zumar 39:53]

Those who sincerely repent all of their wrongdoings should never despair that their Creator will not grant them relief when they come back to Him, no matter how far astray they might have gone.

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:** “Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, says: ‘I am as My slave thinks I am, and I am with him when he remembers Me. If he remembers me to himself, I remember him to Myself; if he remembers Me in a gathering, I remember him in a gathering better than it; if he draws near to Me a handspan, I draw near to him an arm’s length; if he draws near to me an arm’s length, I draw near to him a fathom’s length; if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.”** Narrated by Muslim (2675).

Gee, the theme seems kind of familiar…

Hm…

Oh yeah…

the Prodigal Son:

11 And he said: A certain man had two sons: 12 And the younger of them said to his father: Father, give me the portion of substance that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his substance. 13 And not many days after, the younger son, gathering all together, went abroad into a far country: and there wasted his substance, living riotously. 14 And after he had spent all, there came a mighty famine in that country; and he began to be in want. 15 And he went and cleaved to one of the citizens of that country. And he sent him into his farm to feed swine.

16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks the swine did eat; and no man gave unto him. 17 And returning to himself, he said: How many hired servants in my father’s house abound with bread, and I here perish with hunger? 18 I will arise, and will go to my father, and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee: 19 I am not worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants. 20 And rising up he came to his father. And when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and running to him fell upon his neck, and kissed him.

21 And the son said to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, I am not now worthy to be called thy son. 22 And the father said to his servants: Bring forth quickly the first robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: 23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it, and let us eat and make merry: 24 Because this my son was dead, and is come to life again: was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. 25 Now his elder son was in the field, and when he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard music and dancing:

26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant. 27 And he said to him: Thy brother is come, and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe. 28 And he was angry, and would not go in. His father therefore coming out began to entreat him. 29 And he answering, said to his father: Behold, for so many years do I serve thee, and I have never transgressed thy commandment, and yet thou hast never given me a kid to make merry with my friends: 30 But as soon as this thy son is come, who hath devoured his substance with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

31 But he said to him: Son, thou art always with me, and all I have is thine. 32 But it was fit that we should make merry and be glad, for this thy brother was dead and is come to life again; he was lost, and is found.

Luke 15:11-32

 

[eliasaph99]

Anyways, I’ll answer the OP’s question.

No. From what I have seen, the god of the Koran does not love sinners, at least not in the way that Christians would understand that statement.

In fact, in opposition to that idea, the god in the Koran seems to actually enjoy the fact that some people will be sent to hell. He is described as torturing them personally and making sure to renew their skin so that he can torture them again.

Quite a far cry from our belief that God is willing that all be saved.