Does God promise to provide for temporal needs?

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For the record, I reject the “health and wealth gospel” and know we are required (no choice) to carry a cross.

I’m trying to find out where in the scripture God promises to provide for your temporal needs. And I need to see the loopholes which cause him to say “no” for provide for temporal needs.

Basically I’m thinking that there is no promise to provide for temporal needs (or the promise is so riddled with loopholes God can do whatever he wants). I believe 100% God provides spiritual things, so that part of my faith is intact.
 
For the record, I reject the “health and wealth gospel” and know we are required (no choice) to carry a cross.

I’m trying to find out where in the scripture God promises to provide for your temporal needs. And I need to see the loopholes which cause him to say “no” for provide for temporal needs.

Basically I’m thinking that there is no promise to provide for temporal needs (or the promise is so riddled with loopholes God can do whatever he wants). I believe 100% God provides spiritual things, so that part of my faith is intact.
He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. Matt 5:45

I believe He’s impartial-uninvolved in favoring anyone in terms of wealth-unless, perhaps, it might serve in in some way to support spiritual things, IOW to advance His kingdom.
 
Psalm 37:25, “I have been young, and now am old, yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken or his children begging for bread.”

Matthew 6:25-33, ““Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.”
 
The stories of Abraham, Moses and Job all illustrate how God provides for our temporal needs. In the New Testament Jesus feeding of the 5000 would certainly illustrate providing for temporal needs. Temporal needs are often provided for by God but also having the overall goal of the person receiving spiritual edification.
 
For the record, I reject the “health and wealth gospel” and know we are required (no choice) to carry a cross.

I’m trying to find out where in the scripture God promises to provide for your temporal needs. And I need to see the loopholes which cause him to say “no” for provide for temporal needs.

Basically I’m thinking that there is no promise to provide for temporal needs (or the promise is so riddled with loopholes God can do whatever he wants). I believe 100% God provides spiritual things, so that part of my faith is intact.
God’s providence has never failed.He provides enough for all,but He does so in general,leaving it to men to use and administer earthly goods,commanding them to observe His moral laws in justice and charity.Destitution in the midst of plenty is due partly to human maladministration;partly to the inability and sloth of various individuals;partly to the injustice and dishonesty of others,as well as to their lack of fraternal charity.
 
Bob,
Sorry to find that you are so troubled in this area. You must be struggling mightily.

The most clear passage has been shared above…It is Matthew 6:25-33 in Itwin’s post.

Yet even in this passage, God has not said what form this provision will take. The person sleeping in their car and eating at a soup kitchen while wearing cast off clothing has been provided for by God just as much as the person who owns their own home, eats and dresses well.
So - I suppose that the loophole is less about the promise to provide as it is about the form that the provision takes.

My thoughts and prayers are with you my dear friend and brother…

Peace
James
 
He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. Matt 5:45

I believe He’s impartial-uninvolved in favoring anyone in terms of wealth-unless, perhaps, it might serve in in some way to support spiritual things, IOW to advance His kingdom.
That verse talks about weather. God is impartial on weather. Though sometimes weather does impact one negatively (natural disasters) or positively (farmers). This seems to indicate a collective providence, not an individual one.
Psalm 37:25, “I have been young, and now am old, yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken or his children begging for bread.”
Written by David, during whose lifetime Israel was at the apex of its wealth and status. Of course David would not see anyone begging for bread, he was in a castle doing state business at the time.
Matthew 6:25-33, ““Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.”
Big loophole: Seeking first the Kingdom of heaven and scripture doesn’t describe how to do that. So there is no promise here, the loophole basically overrules it. Telling someone to do something without saying how, the command is impossible to execute.

It also could mean that this promise is only for those who are in religious orders, I think they put the kingdom first. But I don’t see this as a promise to the laity, as I remember another verse where Paul said about married men not being able to serve the LORD as much because they are trying to please their wives.
The stories of Abraham, Moses and Job all illustrate how God provides for our temporal needs. In the New Testament Jesus feeding of the 5000 would certainly illustrate providing for temporal needs. Temporal needs are often provided for by God but also having the overall goal of the person receiving spiritual edification.
All 3 actually had God talk to them. Not so with me. Abraham and Moses were full-time servants of God - not laymen. Job was a layman and was hurt by God in some cosmic boasting with Satan.
God’s providence has never failed.
It has for me, no job for 2 years and time is running out.
He provides enough for all,but He does so in general,leaving it to men to use and administer earthly goods,commanding them to observe His moral laws in justice and charity.Destitution in the midst of plenty is due partly to human maladministration;partly to the inability and sloth of various individuals;partly to the injustice and dishonesty of others,as well as to their lack of fraternal charity.
So God’s providence is only collective, not individual. There is no individual guarantee God will provide then.
 
That verse talks about weather. God is impartial on weather. Though sometimes weather does impact one negatively (natural disasters) or positively (farmers). This seems to indicate a collective providence, not an individual one.
Well, maybe Jesus was just talking about the weather that day, but I don’t recall hearing the verse understood in any way other than as an explanation for why bad things happen to good people.
 
Temporal needs are not always at the forefront of the needs that God sees of primary importance.
Consider the Son of God incarnate and His holy mother.
When God asked Mary to be the mother of His divine Son, she became pregnant before this should have occurred in a culture where the law required she could be stoned to death. Joseph’s love and protection saved her.
However, not long before the incarnate Son was born, Mary heavily, pregnant, was required to travel over rough roads to a town where, upon arrival, there was nowhere to rest and sleep but in an animal shelter. And in that animal shelter, Jesus was born, and placed in a food trough as His bed. Where did she was His garments and theirs…it’s not easy being a new mother and so much care is required for a newborn and a toddler, and it cannot have been easy.

The next drama was a tragedy. Because the visiting dignitaries had failed to inform the king where exactly was the baby ‘king’ they mentioned to the Jewish king, the latter decided to send soldiers to murder every infant boy in the town. The new mother and her husband fled with the Child to a foreign country, where the language was strange and no friends or family were around to protect them. Joseph had to find shelter and some kind of work. When the family returned to their country, Joseph, for a third time, had to set up his carpentry business to support his wife and child. There would have been little money and a poor shelter, as they didn’t even return to their old area for fear of discovery.

We expect to do a lot better than that, to find things easier, but there is a message in the difficulties in the lives of the holiest family. For Mary and for Jesus life was never especially easy, but their spiritual lives were profound.

“If you aspire to serve the Lord, prepare yourself for an ordeal. Be sincere of heart, be steadfast, and do not be alarmed when disaster comes. Cling to Him and do not leave him, so that you may be honored at the end of your days.” “Whatever happens to you, accept it, and in the uncertainties of your humble state, be patient, since gold is tested in the fire, and chosen persons in the furnace of humiliation. Trust Him and He will uphold you, follow a straight path and hope in Him.”

“You who fear the Lord wait for His mercy; do not turn aside in case you fall. You who fear the Lord trust Him, and you will not be baulked of your reward. You who fear the Lord hope for good things, for everlasting happiness and mercy…For the Lord is compassionate and merciful.” Those who fear the Lord do not disdain His words, and those who love Him keep His ways. Those who fear the Lord keep their hearts prepared.” [Ecclesiasticus 21-9, 11, 15, 17-18]
 
Big loophole (relating to Mt 6:25-33): Seeking first the Kingdom of heaven and scripture doesn’t describe how to do that. So there is no promise here, the loophole basically overrules it. Telling someone to do something without saying how, the command is impossible to execute.
I disagree that Jesus has given us a command and not told us how to do it.
Seeking the Kingdom of God is summed up in Mt 22:36-40…Love God above all else and Love our neighbor as ourselves. In addition a number of the parables start off with something like “The Kingdom is like…” and so contained therein are hints and lessons on what the Kingdom is and how to seek it. Jesus has not left us orphans.
It also could mean that this promise is only for those who are in religious orders, I think they put the kingdom first. But I don’t see this as a promise to the laity, as I remember another verse where Paul said about married men not being able to serve the LORD as much because they are trying to please their wives.
Well this promise is most certainly not directed solely to those in religious life. However it is true that the ability to concentrate, and the ability to devote time will be different for one whose vocation is in the world rather than the monastery. Yet in each case we are able to “seek first” the kingdom and we do that through Love…

Peace
James
 
Temporal needs are not always at the forefront of the needs that God sees of primary importance.
I know that.

I see spiritual things as #1. #2. #3. …#44…#447,903…#1,309,259,991…

temporal things are somewhere in the #2 google range, when it comes to God.

Basically, God does not care about individual temporal needs, because he puts such an emphasis and focus on the spiritual.
We expect to do a lot better than that, to find things easier, but there is a message in the difficulties in the lives of the holiest family. For Mary and for Jesus life was never especially easy, but their spiritual lives were profound.
I have neither an easy life nor a profound spiritual life. So I can’t relate to their sufferings nor do I take comfort in them.
“If you aspire to serve the Lord, prepare yourself for an ordeal. Be sincere of heart, be steadfast, and do not be alarmed when disaster comes. Cling to Him and do not leave him, so that you may be honored at the end of your days.” “Whatever happens to you, accept it, and in the uncertainties of your humble state, be patient, since gold is tested in the fire, and chosen persons in the furnace of humiliation. Trust Him and He will uphold you, follow a straight path and hope in Him.”
“You who fear the Lord wait for His mercy; do not turn aside in case you fall. You who fear the Lord trust Him, and you will not be baulked of your reward. You who fear the Lord hope for good things, for everlasting happiness and mercy…For the Lord is compassionate and merciful.” Those who fear the Lord do not disdain His words, and those who love Him keep His ways. Those who fear the Lord keep their hearts prepared.” [Ecclesiasticus 21-9, 11, 15, 17-18]
It is hard to trust God when he has zero obligation or responsibility to provide temporally for individuals.
I disagree that Jesus has given us a command and not told us how to do it.
Seeking the Kingdom of God is summed up in Mt 22:36-40…Love God above all else and Love our neighbor as ourselves.
And how do we do that? I love God and God says “I don’t love you temporally”
 
It is hard to trust God when he has zero obligation or responsibility to provide temporally for individuals.
Bob,
I with I had better answers for you. It is obvious that you are struggling now and have been for some time. I agree that it is difficult to trust God when one is struggling in this way and for so long…
Originally Posted by JRKH
I disagree that Jesus has given us a command and not told us how to do it.
Seeking the Kingdom of God is summed up in Mt 22:36-40…Love God above all else and Love our neighbor as ourselves.
And how do we do that? I love God and God says “I don’t love you temporally”

As I said, I wish I had better answers…
It sounds like you need the services of a good spiritual adviser - your pastor, confessor - someone who can go into this with you face to face…who knows you situation, your struggles etc…It is extremely difficult to do that long distance…

Peace
James

P.S. - on the job front…Have you applied at McDonalds??
 
God loves you but sometimes He lets us suffer for our own good so that a greater good may result. Read Hebrews 12 which is about how God disciplines those he loves. I know what it is to be unemployed and to be employed. Keep trusting in God and eventually you will find work. In addittion my experience has been applying for advertised jobs rarely if ever works. Just go to the companies you want to work for and drop off an app. Talk tothe person hiring and see if they want anyone. We have to do our part too.
 
I have neither an easy life nor a profound spiritual life. So I can’t relate to their sufferings nor do I take comfort in them.

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Bob, I also haven’t had an easy life and in many ways very hard, some of the worst of traumas and ordeals for loved ones and myself…and one can’t find comfort in others’ sufferings anyway.

God doesn’t take zero responsibility, though it seems like that sometimes.
We are responsible for our choices and their consequences of course, but I have found that eventually some problems are alleviated. Prayers for our needs can be answered, but not always as soon as we’d like and in the way we’d like…but there have been some amazing last-moment answers, eventually, after a lot of struggle and other unhappiness…but also with trying very hard to resolve things.

I share something I wrote at some stage, not because I think it will comfort you or speak to you, but so maybe you’ll feel less isolated?

Faith under siege
Eternal God, when my spirit has burned to ashes, ground to dust with a boulder of mute and heavy sorrow, please give me trust in Your personal love for me.

When mine, or others’ mistakes or uncaring have wounded and savaged my heart, where are You to restore what is injured even when I plead for Your intervention and strive to heal the damage? And yet, though You seem absent, I still humbly cry out for Your mercy and healing.

When my efforts leave me helpless with no path left to try, please comfort me and show me a new path.

When others undermine with repeated assaults and short-circuit my resolve, send wise friends to comfort and support me. For no sooner has one problem and heartache eased or resolved than another, equally painful, arises for another or myself.

When I seek You but sometimes feel You are heartlessly steeled against me and my life becomes a flat salt desert. Please help me to trust in You even then, when trust no longer seems possible.

When my heart cries out repeatedly, groping in the helplessness of fears, disappointments and grief that words cannot convey; screaming in the silence of my brain. Is my only comfort, some day, death?

Yet still I call on You and place my tatters of faith in You.

and another
O Silent God
Our God, we pray to You for others and ourselves, and sometimes it seems, if only for a time, a protracted time of awful pain and loneliness, that no one is listening, that You are not there.

Many have turned away, disappointed and bitter, that You have not answered their urgent prayer, their painful need for self and for others. There is no satisfactory human answer to their challenge, whatever one might say of Your ways, Your time, because their anguish or their anger is the reality they experience.

Dear God, You need no reminder, but my humanness leads me to remind You that we are human in our minds and hearts and bodies. We have little or no actual sense or knowledge of ourselves as spirit. If You do not touch us as human beings living in a physical world that we acutely experience, then who can blame anyone for losing faith and hope in You. I cannot blame those who do…but I pray for them with all my heart and life.

O silent God let us hear Your voice in the words of others, and let us be Your love spoken to them. Yet may I ask that You also speak directly to their hearts and minds with unmistakeable Love even where we cannot detect the action of Your Spirit in ourselves or in others. Speak to them in their last moments, if not before.

Please be mindful of our needs, and nurture us as we pray and seek Your healing and care. Embrace all who have lost their hope in God and prayer.
 
Bob-

In your reference about Job. Job did go through some hard times. He remined faithful to the Lord and God provided him materially many times more than he had before. You have to read the whole story, not just the suffering part.
 
Just a note worth posting, God can provide temporal needs, although some may carry heavy burdens in this life. Some will feel overwhelmed by the weight of their share of the cross. Words are scarce that can comfort he or she who bears this weight. We can only look to the suffering taken by the perfectly innocent God incarnate, and how he accepted his cross, and how after Calvary and burial is resurrection and light. We pray for mercy in this life, that we might taste the things of heaven, which are prefigured in various places in this life.

Also, it is Catholic teaching that God can certainly provide temporal goods, although it is not a “guarantee” that we will receive the “things” we ask for in the way we ask for them.CCC#2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God’s wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.
 
Bob-

In your reference about Job. Job did go through some hard times. He remined faithful to the Lord and God provided him materially many times more than he had before. You have to read the whole story, not just the suffering part.
The key thing is that God talked to Job. God doesn’t talk to me, he is giving me the silent treatment. Thus I can’t relate to the Job story.
God loves you but sometimes He lets us suffer for our own good so that a greater good may result. Read Hebrews 12 which is about how God disciplines those he loves. I know what it is to be unemployed and to be employed. Keep trusting in God and eventually you will find work. In addittion my experience has been applying for advertised jobs rarely if ever works. Just go to the companies you want to work for and drop off an app. Talk tothe person hiring and see if they want anyone. We have to do our part too.
I apply for 100+ jobs a week. I’m not lazy. It is just that each job has hundreds of applicants, and there is always someone better than me. No matter how good I am at what I do, there is someone else who is better than me. It is quite demoralizing.
 
The key thing is that God talked to Job. God doesn’t talk to me, he is giving me the silent treatment. Thus I can’t relate to the Job story.

I apply for 100+ jobs a week. I’m not lazy. It is just that each job has hundreds of applicants, and there is always someone better than me. No matter how good I am at what I do, there is someone else who is better than me. It is quite demoralizing.
You sound like you are sharing Mother Teresa’s years of feeling of “distance” or “silence” from God. Padre Pio had this in his younger days also. For however long your demoralized state persists, please at least consider one piece of advice a priest once told me—your suffering is valuable, don’t let it go to waste. In other words, make an act of the will, offer your suffering itself as a prayer for souls and worthy intentions.
 
You sound like you are sharing Mother Teresa’s years of feeling of “distance” or “silence” from God. Padre Pio had this in his younger days also. For however long your demoralized state persists, please at least consider one piece of advice a priest once told me—your suffering is valuable, don’t let it go to waste. In other words, make an act of the will, offer your suffering itself as a prayer for souls and worthy intentions.
I do offer my suffering from time to time for the salvation of souls. But I always do so with the fear that God will just throw more suffering my way because he is getting something out of it (salvation of souls)
 
I do offer my suffering from time to time for the salvation of souls. But I always do so with the fear that God will just throw more suffering my way because he is getting something out of it (salvation of souls)
That fear is understandable.
 
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