Does God Speak Love?

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Adam and Eve were driven out of the Garden.

Pharaoh’s heart was hardened by God.

God hates sinners.

These three are similar. Pharaoh and Moses were both told of God’s beauty and love. Pharaoh was told to love and be kind. He could not be kind and loving. He could not let the slaves go. Moses on the other hand loved God’s beauty and gave up his position in Pharaoh’s world. Moses’ heart was melted by God.

Same God, but two different reactions. One fell in love with God’s beauty.

One hated kindness and refused to repent.

Sinner turn away from God. God’s love sickens them.

Saints are turned to God by God.

Sinners keep turning away.
 
Seamus_Sully said:
Adam and Eve were driven out of the Garden.

Pharaoh’s heart was hardened by God.

God hates sinners.

These three are similar. Pharaoh and Moses were both told of God’s beauty and love. Pharaoh was told to love and be kind. He could not be kind and loving. He could not let the slaves go. Moses on the other hand loved God’s beauty and gave up his position in Pharaoh’s world. Moses’ heart was melted by God.

Same God, but two different reactions. One fell in love with God’s beauty.

One hated kindness and refused to repent.

Sinner turn away from God. God’s love sickens them.

Saints are turned to God by God.

Sinners keep turning away.
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Wrong. God does NOT hate sinners. He loves everyone including the sinners. God cannot hate!
 
thistle said:
Wrong. God does NOT hate sinners. He loves everyone including the sinners. God cannot hate!
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Ps 97:10
The LORD loves those who hate evil;
he preserves the lives of his saints;

Ps 101:3
I hate the work of those who fall away;

Ps 139:21-23
And do I not loathe them that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred;
I count them my enemies.
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart!

Why was David a man after God’s own heart, if God does not approve of hate?
Isa 61:8
For I the LORD love justice,
I hate robbery and wrong;
I will faithfully give them their recompense,

Jer 12:8
8 My heritage has become to me
like a lion in the forest,
she has lifted up her voice against me;
therefore I** hate **her.

Jer 44:3-4
4 Yet I persistently sent to you all my servants the prophets, saying, ‘Oh, do not do this abominable thing that I** hate**!’

Hos 9:15

15 Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal;
there I began to hate them.
Because of the wickedness of their deeds
I will drive them out of my house.
I will love them no more;
all their princes are rebels.

Amos 5:21

21 "I hate, I despise your feasts,
and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies.

Zech 8:16-17
17 do not devise evil in your hearts against one another, and love no false oath, for all these things I hate, says the LORD."

Mal 2:16
16 “For I hate divorce, says the LORD the God of Israel, and covering one’s garment with violence, says the LORD of hosts. So take heed to yourselves and do not be faithless.”

Luke 14:26
6 "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

Rev 2:6-7
et this you have, you hate the works of the Nicola’itans, which I also hate.

God most certainly can hate.
 
Psalm 5: 7…Murders and deceivers the Lord abhors. Some translations use the word hate.

I am sory I did not explain myself clearly.

God does turn sinners away. This is what hates mean.

They do not like God’s beauty and love and patence.

They turn from God because they hate love and beauty.

They love billions of dollars.

They love fornication.

They love adultery.

They love pride, lust, greed, anger, gluttony, envy and sloth.

They do not love kindness and gentleness.

They love screaming and yelling.

They love unjust wars.

They love killing. They hate loving.

Hates means to turn away.

The sinners hate God and love makes them feel sick.
 
Seamus_Sully said:
Adam and Eve were driven out of the Garden.

Pharaoh’s heart was hardened by God.

God hates sinners.

These three are similar. Pharaoh and Moses were both told of God’s beauty and love. Pharaoh was told to love and be kind. He could not be kind and loving. He could not let the slaves go. Moses on the other hand loved God’s beauty and gave up his position in Pharaoh’s world. Moses’ heart was melted by God.

Same God, but two different reactions. One fell in love with God’s beauty.

One hated kindness and refused to repent.

Sinner turn away from God. God’s love sickens them.

Saints are turned to God by God.

Sinners keep turning away.
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where do you get that God told Pharoah to love? I thought you just quoted that God hardened Pharoah’s heart?
 
Moses told Pharaoh of God’s nature.

God’s nature of beauty and love turned Pharaoh away.

Pharaoh hated kindness.

Pharaoh loved Pharaoh’s power and absoute rule.

Pharaoh loved Pharaoh and hated God’s kindness.

God’s compassion and kindness hardened Pharaoh’s heart.

Yes! God hardened Pharaoh’s heart.

Sorry I am not a clear writer.
 
Seamus_Sully said:
Moses told Pharaoh of God’s nature.

God’s nature of beauty and love turned Pharaoh away.

Pharaoh hated kindness.

Pharaoh loved Pharaoh’s power and absoute rule.

Pharaoh loved Pharaoh and hated God’s kindness.

God’s compassion and kindness hardened Pharaoh’s heart.

Yes! God hardened Pharaoh’s heart.

Sorry I am not a clear writer.
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Are you getting this from Exodus? God instructs Moses to say certain things to Pharoah. And He says that He will harden Pharoah’s heart. I don’t recall God every telling Moses to speak of love or kindness.
 
Valke2 said:
where do you get that God told Pharoah to love? I thought you just quoted that God hardened Pharoah’s heart?
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When God sent Moses to Pharoah, it was an act of God’s love. Pharoah was bidden to respond with Love to God’s Loving call;
Let My People Go!

He did not respond with love, but with selfishness.
 
Valke2

Concerning Pharaoh’s heart.

I got the idea in chapter 53 of the Guide to the Perplexed, book I.

As you know well, Torah speaketh the language of the sons of man.

Rambam uses fire to explain that the same substance causes different effects. God is the same, Moses and Pharaoh are different.

I suspect that he uses fire for the following reason:“for the Lord, your God, is a consuming fire, a jealous/zealous God” Deut. 4; 24.

When Moses and Aaron talked to Pharaoh they told Him about God: “Ever since I went to Pharaoh to speak in your name…” (Exodus5; 23).

I am most confident that they talked about God in great detail.

I think that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart. God’s lovingkindness and beauty were rejected, hated.

Stalin, Hitler, Alexander, son of Philip, Mao hated kindness and love. They loved murder and war.

Kindness and love made them sick.

They loved violence and wicked revenge.

They hated forgiveness and compassion.
 
Seamus_Sully said:
Valke2

Concerning Pharaoh’s heart.

I got the idea in chapter 53 of the Guide to the Perplexed, book I.

As you know well, Torah speaketh the language of the sons of man.

Rambam uses fire to explain that the same substance causes different effects. God is the same, Moses and Pharaoh are different.

I suspect that he uses fire for the following reason:“for the Lord, your God, is a consuming fire, a jealous/zealous God” Deut. 4; 24.

When Moses and Aaron talked to Pharaoh they told Him about God: “Ever since I went to Pharaoh to speak in your name…” (Exodus5; 23).

I am most confident that they talked about God in great detail.

I think that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart. God’s lovingkindness and beauty were rejected, hated.

Stalin, Hitler, Alexander, son of Philip, Mao hated kindness and love. They loved murder and war.

Kindness and love made them sick.

They loved violence and wicked revenge.

They hated forgiveness and compassion.
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well, to speak in God’s name in that context I would think meant that they told Pharaoh what GOd told them to tell them. I just don’t see God showing a lot of love to Pharaoh. I’m not saying that He should have. After all, Pharaoh had plenty of time to let the Jews go on his own.

God and Pharaoh never speak to each other directly. So at most, you can say Moses preached about God’s love to Pharaoh. This seems highly unlikely to me, given the story we have. By hardening Pharaoh’s heart, it is as if God is suspending his freedom of choice. The rabbis looked at this problem. For it seems that Pharaoh had no way to repent, which would be an idea that goes against Jewish theology.

However, the answer may be in that God does not harden pharoah’s heart until after the fifth plauge. Pharaoh had already chosen to close his heart. So God eventually punishes him by doing what Pharaoh has already done – hardening his heart.

If we look at the first five plauges, it is not God that is doing the heart hardening, but Pharoah himself. It is only with boils that we read for the first time “and the Lord hardened the heart of pharaoh.”
 
God Shows his love for all of Mankind through Jesus Christ and his Life death and Ressurection for our sins. For God So loved the World that he gave his only begotton son that whosoever shall believe in him shall not perish.

Also the Bible says God **is not willing that any shall perish **but all should repent and come to the knowledge of the truth.
So God Doesnt hate, His love for everyone past and present and into the future is expressed in Jesus Christ.

The most accurate saying that Ive heard and Im sure most of you have heard is God hates the Sin not the Sinner. His desire for the sinner is Life as expressed in Jesus Christ:)
 
God never hates sinners but sins itself.
If He hated sinners, we would not be here to talk about His Love and Mercy. We would not know about His Son - Jesus Christ who came to live among us, to die for our sins.
 
Valke2

Perhaps I am attributing too many Christian ideas on God.

As I mentioned my idea was influenced by the Rambam.

But God is filled with lovingkindness.

Pharaoh loved death and not LIFE.
 
The Ten Words reveal God’s heart.

And, they are commands that He promises will be fulfilled.

The commands are promises He will fulfill if we choose and love LIFE; God is LIFE.

God is truth and you will now deceive or lie.

God is Life and you will not murder.

God is love and you will not hate.
 
thistle said:
Wrong. God does NOT hate sinners. He loves everyone including the sinners. God cannot hate!
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why? Am I to expect that God loved Hitler? WHere does it say that God cannot hate? If He can be a jealous God, why can he not also Hate? How can anything be beyond Him?
 
Is God’s voice love or loving?

Does God speak love?

Faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God.

Is God’s word love?
 
What is the point of your questions? You are being too obscure for me, at least, to understand what you are driving at. :confused:
 
The Holy Bible says God is Love.

Jesus Said this to a Polish Saint named Faustina

‘‘My Compassionate and loving heart is inflamed with an intense longing for the salvation of souls. When they turn to me , I can hardly restrain my joy , and I rush fourth to meet them’’

The Lord Loves you and his goodness has no end. If you come to the Lord you will taste of his sweetness and the Joy of the Lord will be your Might.
 
Della said:
What is the point of your questions? You are being too obscure for me, at least, to understand what you are driving at. :confused:
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Sorry!!!

Faith comes from hearing.

I think the voice of God is love.

Love is what we hear.

Love is what we believe.

I would like Biblical passages to help confirm my ideas.
 
I would like to correct my above post the Lord said this to Sister Benigna not Saint faustina.
 
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