Does Gun Control Prevent Gun Crime?

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I’m not going to argue anymore. You win
when your side can’t win with lies and are forbidden by forum policy to curse and insult, your side quits the debate.

In America, our Constitution recognizes that “Our Creator” as quoted in the Declaration of Independence, “Endowed us with certain inalienable rights”

Australian gun control is the Australian gov’t gift to rapist, murderers and jihadist.
Good luck, I will pray for you.
 
when your side can’t win with lies and are forbidden by forum policy to curse and insult, your side quits the debate.

In America, our Constitution recognizes that “Our Creator” as quoted in the Declaration of Independence, “Endowed us with certain inalienable rights”

Australian gun control is the Australian gov’t gift to rapist, murderers and jihadist.
Good luck, I will pray for you.
It would be an act of charity to advise him to exercise caution upon departure to avoid being impacted posteriorly by the protuberance on the portal.😃
 
Again, why is it that those who are disgusted by guns or against guns do not wish to comment on places like Switzerland?

Why do they not wish to comment on the higher rate of assult and robberies of homes with people in them?

Why are you burying your head in the sand from these facts?
 
Again, why is it that those who are disgusted by guns or against guns do not wish to comment on places like Switzerland?

Why do they not wish to comment on the higher rate of assult and robberies of homes with people in them with countries with large gun control laws?

Why are you burying your head in the sand from these facts?
 
Ultimately we are each responsible for our own safety and well-being. The church recognizes this in it’s official teaching. It is as true now as it was in Jesus’s time. The means to accomplish that (sword, gun, etc.) has changed with the times but the responsibility still remains.

Anyone who wishes to restrict our ability to be able to defend ourselves MUST assume the responsibility to perform that duty on our behalf and if they are unwilling or unable to do so, then they have no right to restrict our ability to be able to defend ourselves.
 
Again, why is it that those who are disgusted by guns or against guns do not wish to comment on places like Switzerland?

Why do they not wish to comment on the higher rate of assult and robberies of homes with people in them with countries with large gun control laws?

Why are you burying your head in the sand from these facts?
It’s always nice to see fellow feminine voices in this debate (my screen name is not feminine sounding…). What irks me beyond belief is to have a man opposed to gun control tell me that I don’t need a gun to possibly protect myself. Elminating all guns from the hands of the bad guy would NOT eliminate my need for a gun to protect myself.

Anyone who thinks the average woman could defend herself from the average man is a fool. I’ve taken 1.5 years of martial arts when in my 20s (for fun, not with self-defense in mind). That disabused me of silly notions of using force to successfully protect myself. Sure it might happen, but that is unlikely. I also had the chance to participate in a weapons weekend (japanese). Sure, a stick (sword ) evens it out a bit, but it takes a lot of practice. We also were shown a technique to disarm someone with a knife. You have to be DARN good to do that.

Of course, I don’t plan to need a firearm, but as surely as evil exists, I know that I may be in such a situation. I’m beginning to think that anti-gunners are also anti-women, whether they realize it or not. Can anyone who thinks seriously about what I said disagree with it? I can’t fathom it.

(Ms.) Sheeniac
 
Ultimately we are each responsible for our own safety and well-being. The church recognizes this in it’s official teaching. It is as true now as it was in Jesus’s time. The means to accomplish that (sword, gun, etc.) has changed with the times but the responsibility still remains.

Anyone who wishes to restrict our ability to be able to defend ourselves MUST assume the responsibility to perform that duty on our behalf and if they are unwilling or unable to do so, then they have no right to restrict our ability to be able to defend ourselves.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. My position is when the state deprives you of a basic civil right and at the same time deprives you of the means of protecting yourself, the state assumes an absolute liability for your protection.

I have had liberals tell me, “Why, we’d have to assign a police offcer to protect each citizen!”

And my response is, “No. With a 40-hour work week, vacation, sick leave and mandatory training times, you’d have to assign 5 police officers to protect each citizen. If you think that’s too much, there is a no-cost solution – simply respect the Constitution.”
 
It’s always nice to see fellow feminine voices in this debate (my screen name is not feminine sounding…). What irks me beyond belief is to have a man opposed to gun control tell me that I don’t need a gun to possibly protect myself. Elminating all guns from the hands of the bad guy would NOT eliminate my need for a gun to protect myself.

Anyone who thinks the average woman could defend herself from the average man is a fool. I’ve taken 1.5 years of martial arts when in my 20s (for fun, not with self-defense in mind). That disabused me of silly notions of using force to successfully protect myself. Sure it might happen, but that is unlikely. I also had the chance to participate in a weapons weekend (japanese). Sure, a stick (sword ) evens it out a bit, but it takes a lot of practice. We also were shown a technique to disarm someone with a knife. You have to be DARN good to do that.

Of course, I don’t plan to need a firearm, but as surely as evil exists, I know that I may be in such a situation. I’m beginning to think that anti-gunners are also anti-women, whether they realize it or not. Can anyone who thinks seriously about what I said disagree with it? I can’t fathom it.

(Ms.) Sheeniac
I know what you mean.

I can’t stand the fact that as a woman, people automatically assume I am pro-choice and anti-gun.

I am neither. Certainly makes for interesting converstations every once and awhile though;)
 
I know what you mean.

I can’t stand the fact that as a woman, people automatically assume I am pro-choice and anti-gun.

I am neither. Certainly makes for interesting converstations every once and awhile though;)
I mentioned many posts ago that I am a NRA life member and have a carry permit. I go to the range once a week to practice. It’s fun seeing if I improve each time. I feel much more safe when I am out going to a meeting etc. at night.
 
I mentioned many posts ago that I am a NRA life member and have a carry permit. I go to the range once a week to practice. It’s fun seeing if I improve each time. I feel much more safe when I am out going to a meeting etc. at night.
My wife is a nurse, and when she worked night shift, I would sometimes go to a local range comples that had and indoor range and practice. As a member, I had the combination to the gate and the indoor range.

Someone asked me, “Aren’t you afraid out there all by yourself?”

And I said, “Not as long as I have my .45 in my hand.”😛
 
There’s an interesting column in the June edition of The American Rifleman:
In its brief filed in support of the D.C. gun control/self-defense ban the Brady Campaign lawyers cited a pre-American Revolution royal edict as an example of precedence for gun control: “**In the mid-eighteenth century, for example, Maryland prohibited the ownership of guns by Catholics . . **.”
(Emphasis in AR)
:eek:
 
*… Maryland prohibited the ownership of guns by Catholics …
Actually it as an edict from the King of England, prior to the formation of the United States of America, that prohibited the ownership of guns by Catholics in the Maryland colony in the mid-1700s. Further, if you go into the history of some of the original colonies, many were set up as havens by/for specific religions when they were first founded. Over a period of time, trade between the colonies increased tolerance of other religions and by the time the colonies became states religious freedom was recognized (but not always practiced).

However, all that said, the Brady Campaign (aka Handgun Control), and its lawyers recently cited the royal decree banning Catholic ownership of handguns when they filed a brief in the Washington DC gun ban case, which was recently overturned by the courts. :eek:

American Rifleman was not wrong it what it wrote, but they wrote more than was quoted in the posts in this thread, and the AR article more accurately described the situation. Clearly the Brady Campaign was digging deep to justify support for the Washington DC gun ban.
 
Actually it as an edict from the King of England, prior to the formation of the United States of America, that prohibited the ownership of guns by Catholics in the Maryland colony in the mid-1700s. Further, if you go into the history of some of the original colonies, many were set up as havens by/for specific religions when they were first founded. Over a period of time, trade between the colonies increased tolerance of other religions and by the time the colonies became states religious freedom was recognized (but not always practiced).

However, all that said, the Brady Campaign (aka Handgun Control), and its lawyers recently cited the royal decree banning Catholic ownership of handguns when they filed a brief in the Washington DC gun ban case, which was recently overturned by the courts. :eek:

American Rifleman was not wrong it what it wrote, but they wrote more than was quoted in the posts in this thread, and the AR article more accurately described the situation. Clearly the Brady Campaign was digging deep to justify support for the Washington DC gun ban.
But what strikes me is that the Brady Campaign offered this case without seeing the irony. Apparently they think it’s okay to bar certain people from the exercise of their rights based on religion.

After all, suppose the issue were freedom of religion – this same case could be used in the same way!!
 
But what strikes me is that the Brady Campaign offered this case without seeing the irony. Apparently they think it’s okay to bar certain people from the exercise of their rights based on religion.

After all, suppose the issue were freedom of religion – this same case could be used in the same way!!
AGREED!

I believe the Brady Campaign is full of disingenuous and deceptive theory. They seem to use what is convenient for their cause, even when it is not relevant. They couch it in “reasonable” and “sensible” language, and folks who are not generally interested in the issue tend to think that the Brady Campaign sounds rational and the gun owners sound shrill and extreme. From the uninformed standpoint, those are probably reasonable ways to view the two groups, but when you dig into the facts of what the Brady Campaign actually proposes, they are obviously acting in a deceptive manner.
 
AGREED!

I believe the Brady Campaign is full of disingenuous and deceptive theory. They seem to use what is convenient for their cause, even when it is not relevant. They couch it in “reasonable” and “sensible” language, and folks who are not generally interested in the issue tend to think that the Brady Campaign sounds rational and the gun owners sound shrill and extreme. From the uninformed standpoint, those are probably reasonable ways to view the two groups, but when you dig into the facts of what the Brady Campaign actually proposes, they are obviously acting in a deceptive manner.
The Brady Campaign seeks to deprive us of a basic civil right.

They do it in the face of overwhelming evidence that victim disarmamant works in favor of the criminal.

And they use lies to do it.

That’s fundamentally evil.
 
Just my opinion, but some of these threads discuss crime, some discuss the theology of the Catholic Church as it relates to guns, some discuss the theory of gun control, etc. While there may be some overlap in discussions, most of these topics are individual topics that can stand on their own merit.
 
It will only work if you take the guns away from everyone. When some continue to insist it is their right to own while denying others, such as someone with a mental illness, then discrimination comes into play and the one that claims sanity actually may consider it his option to use his gun against the other. Let’s get rid of all these weapons and really become a people of peace.
 
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