Does Gun Control Prevent Gun Crime?

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Of course we “exterminate aboriginals” exactly like you exterminate your American Indians. And your dad speaks through his nostrils. And by the way I am not a descendent of convicts I am european (Italian) whose family chose Australia, rather than America, after the war WWII), and we are grateful that our dad chose this country. thank you, enough of that.,
As far as your police force, as long as they were their nice uniforms for visuals you are OK. As far as your american indians shooting one another, they must have stopped scalping the whites and learnt how to shoot (using your guns) from them also.
Grace Angel.
You are a latecomer to Australia. My Dad arrived in Sydney in June of 1899, took a buckboard to Queensland to work on a cattle station. They were still shooting out aborigines even then… As for not coming to the US, anybody can make a bad choice. As another poster has said, yes, Australians DO think differently than Americans. That is why good 'ol Oz is turning into the Socialist Workers Paradise.
 
You are a latecomer to Australia. My Dad arrived in Sydney in June of 1899, took a buckboard to Queensland to work on a cattle station. They were still shooting out aborigines even then…
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I think we can rightly say that both Australia and America are equally guilty of apartheid, lets just leave it at that.
As another poster has said, yes, Australians DO think differently than Americans. That is why good 'ol Oz is turning into the Socialist Workers Paradise.
God willing! But that’s another thread 😃
 
I think we can rightly say that both Australia and America are equally guilty of apartheid, lets just leave it at that.

God willing! But that’s another thread 😃
God willing? Great! In the Socialist Workers Paradise everyone only starves a little. Hello!!! The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991!:cool:
 
You are a latecomer to Australia. My Dad arrived in Sydney in June of 1899, took a buckboard to Queensland to work on a cattle station. They were still shooting out aborigines even then… As for not coming to the US, anybody can make a bad choice. As another poster has said, yes, Australians DO think differently than Americans. That is why good 'ol Oz is turning into the Socialist Workers Paradise.

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If you care to go that far back we can say that your ancestors were shouting Indians and displacing them from their lands.
So lets leave it at that.
Grace Angel.
 
If you care to go that far back we can say that your ancestors were shouting Indians and displacing them from their lands.
So lets leave it at that.
Grace Angel.
I think that is enough. We are not here to fight over our past, only for our future. So far the overwhelming majority feels gun control does not work. This is generally accepted as common sense in the US, except by some politicians and lobbies for big government. Thanks everyone for your opinion and we will see what others think over the next month.
 
If you care to go that far back we can say that your ancestors were shouting Indians and displacing them from their lands.
So lets leave it at that.
Grace Angel.
The only time that I “shouted” an Indian was in a bar in San Diego. He shouted me one back and we became good friends. I found out later that he had a lot more land than I did!😛
 
To the Aussies on this thread:

Can you give me a synopsis of what king of gun control you have in Australia? Please don’t link an article, because I don’t have much time (and I’m feeling a little lazy.)

When I hear the term “gun control,” I typically think of background checks on people buying firearms legally. Unfortunately, some maniacs don’t have a bad background, but you can’t predict everything. I’d appreciate understanding how it’s done in Australia.
 
To the Aussies on this thread:

Can you give me a synopsis of what king of gun control you have in Australia? Please don’t link an article, because I don’t have much time (and I’m feeling a little lazy.)

When I hear the term “gun control,” I typically think of background checks on people buying firearms legally. Unfortunately, some maniacs don’t have a bad background, but you can’t predict everything. I’d appreciate understanding how it’s done in Australia.
Gun control in Australia has always involved registration and background checks (as im sure it does in the US). However after a number of mass shootings, particularly the Port Arthur Massacre in which an assault rifle was used there were additional restrictions on the types of firearms that could be owned by civilians. Some examples may include…

The banning of all semi-automatic rifles, and most pistols.
Total ban on Anti-armour or hollow point ammunition.
Limit of 10 rounds per clip
Limits on the number of clips owned per person.

Generally only persons with a need for firearms are permitted to own them i.e. farmers, hunters or security firms.
 
I love that you live in Victoria but still refer to them as the “eastern states”, a true West Aussie! 👍

Couldn’t agree more.

But we have to understand that Australians have a very different attitude towards guns. When the gun buyback was performed it was supported by over 90% of the population, and that only 5% of gun holders contested the issue. It was the single most popular political policy in our history.

It just goes to show how different our beliefs are from those of conservative Americans.
Levi I have had a need to travel a fair bit over the last 2-3 years and we do have the most beautiful and generally peaceful country on earth. Every time I arrive at the airport (Tullamarine) I feel like doing a John Paul II (kissing the ground). I was in London (conference) the week of bombings and felt so afraid. Its a different type of feari I cant even explain it.
Anyway, I am glad for the controls that we have and I am so saddened when I hear of the massacres in the American unis. I feel sad for the young ones and their families and the fact that we send our children to school or uni and may never see them alive again. Yet more and more guns called for? doesnt make sense.
Cheers mate!!!
Grace Angel.
 
It seems to me that your “bloody war” with guns hasnt ended has it?
And you say that “sure people will die but in the end the people will be safer?” what lunacy. Safer because you all have guns?
Is that giving a message of safety.
You dont need the police to protect you. So your police departments are for show are they? They dont need to work or protect anyone?. And your founders saw that you need to protect yourself? from whom? your family and friends.? From martians? Alians? from whom. All the massacres are from home grown people with guns who forgot that they werre supposed to protect themselves and their families.
Sorry Not with you at all and your thinking is so flawed its not funny.
Grace Angel.
Here, here kids. Let’s not continue slinging insults at one another. We all have our opinions and each is entitled to one. I have always find it a complete waste of time to try to change another’s mind on anything. All it does is lead to frustration and anger and it accomplishes nothing.

We do have police and other law enforcement agencies in this country and they do the best they can. Maybe if we had a cop on every corner it would work. But we do not. You Aussies live in a beautiful country with lots of empty spaces. That is not the case here. It matters not where we all came from. I get really tired of hearing what early Americans did. Most of us are so far removed from them that it is silly to talk about it. And I don’t care where the original Aussies came from. Most of you are removed from that also.

I have said before and will say again, what works for the Aussies will not work here. And I am really exasperated hearing all the fussing back and forth. Sounds like a bunch of kids fighting on the school yard–“my game is better than your game”. “My Dad is better than your Father.” Give it up and go to Mass.

Blessings
 
Here, here kids. Let’s not continue slinging insults at one another. We all have our opinions and each is entitled to one. I have always find it a complete waste of time to try to change another’s mind on anything. All it does is lead to frustration and anger and it accomplishes nothing.

We do have police and other law enforcement agencies in this country and they do the best they can. Maybe if we had a cop on every corner it would work. But we do not. You Aussies live in a beautiful country with lots of empty spaces. That is not the case here. It matters not where we all came from. I get really tired of hearing what early Americans did. Most of us are so far removed from them that it is silly to talk about it. And I don’t care where the original Aussies came from. Most of you are removed from that also.

I have said before and will say again, what works for the Aussies will not work here. And I am really exasperated hearing all the fussing back and forth. Sounds like a bunch of kids fighting on the school yard–“my game is better than your game”. “My Dad is better than your Father.” Give it up and go to Mass.

Blessings
I have been to Mass Mary and peace works in all counties and peoples and nations. To have a need for weapons, guns, means that there is a constant threat. And no body is safe when they live under a constant threat. Remember even Jesus said those who live bu the sword die by the sword. If you want the freedom to he armed then you have to accept the freedom others have to shoot the said guns and generally at other human beings.
Sorry Mary it has nothing to do with Im better or you are better etc. It has to do with what we learn to live with and accept.
God Bless
Grace Angel.
 
So your police departments are for show are they? They dont need to work or protect anyone?. Grace Angel.
I have called the police 3 times in my life. In all 3 cases, they were **very **slow in arriving (over an hour). By that time, the events were over.
 
I have called the police 3 times in my life. In all 3 cases, they were **very **slow in arriving (over an hour). By that time, the events were over.
Is that typical for your area? The police forces in America aren’t that bad are they?

I remember a few months ago there was public outrage in my state when the average response time went above 8 minutes. Surely this isn’t the exception as far as police forces go?
 
Is that typical for your area? The police forces in America aren’t that bad are they?

I remember a few months ago there was public outrage in my state when the average response time went above 8 minutes. Surely this isn’t the exception as far as police forces go?
I don’t know the statistics for response times. I can only report my personal experience.

But even if the response times were less than 8 minutes, isn’t that too long in many cases? A lot can happen in a few minutes.
 
I have been to Mass Mary and peace works in all counties and peoples and nations. To have a need for weapons, guns, means that there is a constant threat. And no body is safe when they live under a constant threat. Remember even Jesus said those who live bu the sword die by the sword. If you want the freedom to he armed then you have to accept the freedom others have to shoot the said guns and generally at other human beings.
Sorry Mary it has nothing to do with Im better or you are better etc. It has to do with what we learn to live with and accept.
God Bless
Grace Angel.
As I mentioned earlier, We have guns to protect us from both criminals and a tyrannical government. This is the way our country was set up. I did not immediately respond to the post about my “logic being flawed” because my anger was immeasurable and I’m afraid I would have said something seriously regrettable.

Mary has a good solution. If it works for you guys down under, great. Just do push it on us, we don’t want it. Overwhelmingly 75% of law abiding citizens in America are opposed to gun control. Why? Because we live in a day dominated by terrorist and thugs, from both inside and out.

We can argue about guns all day long, but in the end, US citizens will still have them. If our government attempts to take them away, they will not get many. The Declaration of Independence gives us an idea of how the colonists lived. It also tells why they severed themselves from the crown. I am glad now that they did, we would be pretty bad off if not.

In closing, if any more insults are made, they will be reported to the moderator. I am still debating over whether to do that now. Watch your tone. Remember where it is you are posting. You are neither right or wrong here, it is only your or my opinion.
 
Is that typical for your area? The police forces in America aren’t that bad are they?

I remember a few months ago there was public outrage in my state when the average response time went above 8 minutes. Surely this isn’t the exception as far as police forces go?
Response time here is generally 5 - 15 minutes in an emergency, with 10 being the average. We have a lot of rural areas, and the outcry would be enormous if many more police were hired. You have to understand, we do not want the police, nor do we need them. We do not want the laws, but we are stuck with them. It is hard now to avoid breaking the law, yet we walk that fine line everyday. If our society is what you call “progress”, I want no part of it. This kind of progress is truly evil.

We have 40,000,000 innocent babies killed, but murderers live comfortably in the prison down the road. Old people are attacked because the thugs think they are easy targets. Murderers are however hunted and prosecuted. We do not have people just running around shooting people, unless they are gangs, and that is a different story. We have influences from outside that destabilize the whole situation. There is a gang, MS-13, from South America that is ruthless. They shoot people, stab them, torture them for unknown reasons. Our police have yet to stop them. Would you have us just hand ourselves over to this? I personally will not. No my logic is not flawed. I use the founders of this country and the documents they left to base my opinions and beliefs on. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with a gun, unless you dispute the Churches teaching on self defense. We are prepared to defend ourselves, against an invasion by the U.N., from gang bangers and malcontents wish us harm, from our own tyrannical government(if it should ever come to that). None of these are welcome here. We will not have blue helmets walking around our streets. We try to get rid of the rest, but they keep coming back.

What is the population of Australia? How about police per capita?
Since we seem to want to talk about Aussies so much, here goes. It’s your turn to tell us what is so good about the land down under. So far the only things I like about you guys is the accent and the wide open spaces in the western part of the country. I have never been, and will likely not get to go.
 
As I mentioned earlier, We have guns to protect us from both criminals and a tyrannical government. This is the way our country was set up.

We can argue about guns all day long, but in the end, US citizens will still have them. If our government attempts to take them away, they will not get many.
I think this could be why most Australians cannot understand the American attitude towards guns, because our nation was formed out of a vote rather than a revolution, we see no need to arm ourselves.(That wasn’t meant to sound condescending)

But honestly, do you believe that your ability to bear arms still secures your freedom from an oppressive government? Do you believe that a loose collection of armed citizens would be any match for a fully professionalised and well equipped military?
 
I think this could be why most Australians cannot understand the American attitude towards guns, because our nation was formed out of a vote rather than a revolution, we see no need to arm ourselves.(That wasn’t meant to sound condescending)
Thats ok, no problem.
But honestly, do you believe that your ability to bear arms still secures your freedom from an oppressive government? Do you believe that a loose collection of armed citizens would be any match for a fully professionalized and well equipped military?
Today the US military would not fight for long against it own. Most of the fighting then would be is pockets with police. Eventually they will run and the only thing then would be limited resistance. This is why every time they get wind of an anti government group they come down hard, to prevent any of that. We will not fight, unless our Rights as guaranteed under the Constitution are taken away. I say, If I can’t have my second they can’t have their first. The government will find reasons to strip all rights, once the guns are gone. This is the slippery slope of politics. Our leaders are not meant to have that kind of power.
 
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