Does Gun Control Prevent Gun Crime?

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Amen! The day that government, State or Federal, comes to disarm us is the day that I become an outlaw and a rebel.
Have you noticed something? All of the affirmative arguments (“Yes, Gun Control Does Prevent Gun Crime”) are based on “it stands to reason” arguments – not on hard data.

Could that be because there is no hard data to support that position?
 
I find it ironic that people who never did a thing to earn their liberties use those same liberties to attack the people who actually did earn them.
I earn my liberties by exercising them. Use it or lose it! You need my dissenting opinion just as much as you need the constitution. The defence of the constitution can take many forms and dissent is a legitimate form of defence.

Matthew

PS I noticed that you are averaging in the neighborhood of 11.4 postings per day. Do you have a life?
 
I earn my liberties by exercising them. Use it or lose it! You need my dissenting opinion just as much as you need the constitution. The defence of the constitution can take many forms and dissent is a legitimate form of defence.

Matthew

PS I noticed that you are averaging in the neighborhood of 11.4 postings per day. Do you have a life?
No need to be catty. I am sure you can express the same thoughts without being discourteous.
 
I earn my liberties by exercising them.
No, you **enjoy **them by exercising them. That’s a long way from earning them.
Use it or lose it! You need my dissenting opinion just as much as you need the constitution.
I do not need to add to the suffering and sacrifices of American soldiers.
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The defence of the constitution can take many forms and dissent is a legitimate form of defence.
No – it’s something someone else earned for you.
IPS I noticed that you are averaging in the neighborhood of 11.4 postings per day. Do you have a life?
I noticed that you reply to my postings. Do you have a life?😛
 
How can a christian justify owning a gun? I don’t understand it. A gun is a weapon designed to kill. OF COURSE guns causes more crime and more murders! In countries with no guns (like in Sweden were I live) there are very few gun related crimes. I have actually never even seen a gun in my entire life. I don’t know a single person who owns a gun.

It’s not just that guns are used in crimes. But they also promote violence and they cause an awful lot of accidental deaths.

Access to guns is very very bad for young people. Look at the shootings in American schools. That could have happened in Sweden too if there was access to guns. But if a teenager goes crazy the best he or she can do is throw a rock at a window or something…there just aren’t any guns to come by.
 
I earn my liberties by exercising them. Use it or lose it! You need my dissenting opinion just as much as you need the constitution. The defence of the constitution can take many forms and dissent is a legitimate form of defence.

Matthew

PS I noticed that you are averaging in the neighborhood of 11.4 postings per day. Do you have a life?
The only reason that you can excersize your liberties is because people like me and countless other veterans were willing to go out and shed blood to defend your right to do so. If you have not been willing to do this, then you are getting a free ride. Have you paid your dues? I have. Your right to dissent ends where my rights begin. Your remark to Mr. Humphries does not show class.
 
How can a christian justify owning a gun? I don’t understand it. A gun is a weapon designed to kill. OF COURSE guns causes more crime and more murders! In countries with no guns (like in Sweden were I live) there are very few gun related crimes. I have actually never even seen a gun in my entire life. I don’t know a single person who owns a gun.

It’s not just that guns are used in crimes. But they also promote violence and they cause an awful lot of accidental deaths.

Access to guns is very very bad for young people. Look at the shootings in American schools. That could have happened in Sweden too if there was access to guns. But if a teenager goes crazy the best he or she can do is throw a rock at a window or something…there just aren’t any guns to come by.
Thanks for your observation. Totally wrong, of course. But for you Swedes the point will soon be moot. Between total socialism, a zero birth rate and moslem immigration, there won’t be any Swedes left after 2050 anyway. Your cradle -to-grave socialism is killing you. Moslems will inherit your country without a shot fired.
 
How can a christian justify owning a gun? I don’t understand it. A gun is a weapon designed to kill. OF COURSE guns causes more crime and more murders! In countries with no guns (like in Sweden were I live) there are very few gun related crimes. I have actually never even seen a gun in my entire life. I don’t know a single person who owns a gun.

It’s not just that guns are used in crimes. But they also promote violence and they cause an awful lot of accidental deaths.

Access to guns is very very bad for young people. Look at the shootings in American schools. That could have happened in Sweden too if there was access to guns. But if a teenager goes crazy the best he or she can do is throw a rock at a window or something…there just aren’t any guns to come by.
Then how do you explain Switzerland, where every adult male is given a fully automatic assault rifle and ammunition with instructions to keep them in their home.

By your logic, Switzerland should have a larger crime rate than Sweden and rampant teen shootings in that country.

Yet it does not.

Why?
 
Thanks for your observation. Totally wrong, of course. But for you Swedes the point will soon be moot. Between total socialism, a zero birth rate and moslem immigration, there won’t be any Swedes left after 2050 anyway. Your cradle -to-grave socialism is killing you. Moslems will inherit your country without a shot fired.
That’s fine by me. God can strike Sweden with a lightning bolt if that is what he wishes. But atleast I will go to heaven when and if he does. I won’t be guilty of murder or accidental deaths or guilty of promoting violence. I am guessing that you aren’t a Christian since you have such anti-christian views?
 
Then how do you explain Switzerland, where every adult male is given a fully automatic assault rifle and ammunition with instructions to keep them in their home.

By your logic, Switzerland should have a larger crime rate than Sweden and rampant teen shootings in that country.

Yet it does not.

Why?
It stays dark in Sweden in the winter for a long time. They have a high rate of suicide and alchoholism, similar to Finland and Iceland, where they also have long winters. Perhaps it’s better that they don’t have access to firearms. In spite of the long winters, the birthrate is one of the lowest in Europe, so the Swedes are gradually becoming extinct. I understand that the government is beginning to offer a bounty to women to have children, not many takers though.
 
Then how do you explain Switzerland, where every adult male is given a fully automatic assault rifle and ammunition with instructions to keep them in their home.

By your logic, Switzerland should have a larger crime rate than Sweden and rampant teen shootings in that country.

Yet it does not.

Why?
Strange, my godfather is Swiss and he doesn’t have a gun and this is the first I’ve ever heard of Swiss people getting weapons. I know that when a person joins the MILITARY he or she is in charge of a weapon. Also approximately 300 deaths per year involve the use of Swiss army guns, mostly suicides and family murders.

The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:

U.S.A. 14.24
Brazil 12.95
Mexico 12.69
Estonia 12.26
Argentina 8.93
Northern Ireland 6.63
Finland 6.46
Switzerland 5.31
France 5.15
Canada 4.31
Norway 3.82
Austria 3.70
Portugal 3.20
Israel 2.91
Belgium 2.90
Australia 2.65
Slovenia 2.60
Italy 2.44
New Zealand 2.38
Denmark 2.09
Sweden 1.92
Kuwait 1.84
Greece 1.29
Germany 1.24
Hungary 1.11
Ireland 0.97
Spain 0.78
Netherlands 0.70
Scotland 0.54
England and Wales 0.41
Taiwan 0.37
Singapore 0.21
Mauritius 0.19
Hong Kong 0.14
South Korea 0.12
Japan 0.05

The reason Sweden is “high” on the list is because the police wear guns in Sweden, unlike England were the police don’t wear guns and therefore the gun related crime rate is much lower. Criminals steal weapons from the military and the police, that’s the only way to get a gun. As you can see Switzerland is pretty high on the list.
 
It stays dark in Sweden in the winter for a long time. They have a high rate of suicide and alchoholism, similar to Finland and Iceland, where they also have long winters. Perhaps it’s better that they don’t have access to firearms. In spite of the long winters, the birthrate is one of the lowest in Europe, so the Swedes are gradually becoming extinct. I understand that the government is beginning to offer a bounty to women to have children, not many takers though.
Nope, the government and society in general treats pregnant women like ****, therefore the low birthrates. There is no “bounty”, I wish there were! In England mother’s are offered and apartment though.

I am not defending Sweden when it comes to abortion rates, low birthrates, alcoholism etc (although Ireland has the highest suicide rate and England the highest alcohol rate) I just think that guns shouldn’t be part of a Christian life or part of a Christian family. Yes abortion is bad, suicide is bad, alcohol is bad…and guns are bad.
 
That’s fine by me. God can strike Sweden with a lightning bolt if that is what he wishes. But atleast I will go to heaven when and if he does. I won’t be guilty of murder or accidental deaths or guilty of promoting violence. I am guessing that you aren’t a Christian since you have such anti-christian views?
God IS striking Sweden with a lightning bolt. It is just a very slow one. Is it not true that 70% of childen in Sweden are born out of wedlock? My, My, not very Christian. And what makes you suppose that my views are not Christian? My stance on guns? Being Christian and standing up for rights guaranteed by the Constitution is as American as apple pie. I have been a Christian longer than you have been alive and have shed my blood in defense of my country.
 
God IS striking Sweden with a lightning bolt. It is just a very slow one. Is it not true that 70% of childen in Sweden are born out of wedlock? My, My, not very Christian. And what makes you suppose that my views are not Christian? My stance on guns? Being Christian and standing up for rights guaranteed by the Constitution is as American as apple pie. I have been a Christian longer than you have been alive and have shed my blood in defense of my country.
As I said in a previous post, I’m not defending Sweden. Sweden isn’t even a Christian country. I do think God is punishing Sweden for its sins. I’m almost scared of living here because there is so much sin! Abortion, pornography etc. But I don’t think that a Christian person should own a gun. I can understand if a military person has a gun and uses the gun when his or her country is at war. But don’t bring the gun in to your home. Don’t bring it close to your children. And no I don’t agree with you that being a Christian equals being an American. Christianity doesn’t have anything to do with nationality. And just because you happen to be older than me does not mean that you’re right. That you try to prove your point by stating your age just proves that you are running out of better arguments. Sorry if that upset you but your rather aggressive attitude is starting to upset me.
 
Nope, the government and society in general treats pregnant women like ****, therefore the low birthrates. There is no “bounty”, I wish there were! In England mother’s are offered and apartment though.

I am not defending Sweden when it comes to abortion rates, low birthrates, alcoholism etc (although Ireland has the highest suicide rate and England the highest alcohol rate) I just think that guns shouldn’t be part of a Christian life or part of a Christian family. Yes abortion is bad, suicide is bad, alcohol is bad…and guns are bad.
If the government and society in general treats pregnant women badly, then they should not whine when non-Swedes take over your country. Other countries in Europe face the same falling demographic. Barring a miracle, Europe will be overwhelmed by moslems and Eastern Europeans before very long. Nature abhors a vacuum and WILL fill it, and Mother Nature does not care what color you are or what religion you profess. You table on gun deaths does not take into consideration the size of the country involved. The United States encompasses more land than all of Europe. Europe and the Near East take in some of the most violent societies in the world and your figures do not reflect that. More people killed in Palestine, Iraq and Lebanon in one week than in the US in six months. Abortion is bad, alcholism is bad, alchol is neutral and so are guns.
 
If the government and society in general treats pregnant women badly, then they should not whine when non-Swedes take over your country. Other countries in Europe face the same falling demographic. Barring a miracle, Europe will be overwhelmed by moslems and Eastern Europeans before very long. Nature abhors a vacuum and WILL fill it, and Mother Nature does not care what color you are or what religion you profess. You table on gun deaths does not take into consideration the size of the country involved. The United States encompasses more land than all of Europe. Europe and the Near East take in some of the most violent societies in the world and your figures do not reflect that. More people killed in Palestine, Iraq and Lebanon in one week than in the US in six months. Abortion is bad, alcholism is bad, alchol is neutral and so are guns.
I think it is safe to say that more people are killed by guns in the USA than in entire Europe. In any case it is VERY safe to say that gun deaths are MUCH higher in countries were guns are allowed. The reason for this is obvious…guns are dangerous and guns can kill. There is no question about it. To argue that guns cause a safer enviroment is like arguing that the earth is flat or the sun is blue or whatever. The simple truth is that guns do kill and that more deaths happen in places were guns are accessable. To take an example, there are more abortions done in countries were abortion is allowed. There are for example more abortions in Sweden than there are in Ireland due to the simple reason that Ireland does not allow abortions. Now there are still Irish women that manage to abort their babies, the same way as there are still some Swedes that manage to get hold of guns and kill people. But there is no denying that fewer abortions are made in countries that ban abortion and there is no denying that fewer gun related crimes or accidents are done in countries that don;t allow guns.
 
As I said in a previous post, I’m not defending Sweden. Sweden isn’t even a Christian country. I do think God is punishing Sweden for its sins. I’m almost scared of living here because there is so much sin! Abortion, pornography etc. But I don’t think that a Christian person should own a gun. I can understand if a military person has a gun and uses the gun when his or her country is at war. But don’t bring the gun in to your home. Don’t bring it close to your children. And no I don’t agree with you that being a Christian equals being an American. Christianity doesn’t have anything to do with nationality. And just because you happen to be older than me does not mean that you’re right. That you try to prove your point by stating your age just proves that you are running out of better arguments. Sorry if that upset you but your rather aggressive attitude is starting to upset me.
The day that I run out of arguments in defense of the truth is the day I run out of air. First, you attempt to bring my Christianity into question, then you admit the Sweden is not a Christian country. If you Swedes choose not to have guns, that is your problem, do not extend your opinion about American’s right to possess firearms, that is not your place. And to say that owning firearms is somehow un-Christian, is presumptuous and arrogant to the maximum. Our country was founded and defended by gun-toting, Christian patriots. I know that you Swedes have not been to war in a long time, but you used to have a reputation for courage, maybe it’s been bred out of you, but until you have smelled the smoke and seen the blood of the enemy of your country, you have no room for talk.
 
“But I don’t think that a Christian person should own a gun.”
But it would be OK if a non-Christian person owned a gun?

" But don’t bring the gun in to your home."
So that it would not be available if a criminal enters my home?

“Don’t bring it close to your children.”
God, no. It may jump from my hand and begin to fire wildly, all on it’s own.
My children have known firearms all their lives. I taught them to shoot and gun safety as soon as they could safely hold a gun and understand the responsibility.

“And just because you happen to be older than me does not mean that you’re right.”
I am right because I have been to places that you have never been and seen things that no man should see, done by criminals and tyrants that needed to be defended against.

“Sorry if that upset you but your rather aggressive attitude is starting to upset me.”
You have not even seen my aggressive side yet.
 
NOTICE: No aggressive sides, please.

Mane Nobiscum Domine,
Ferdinand Mary
 
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