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hosemonkey
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Amen! Good post.
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Brendan
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Adult males are required to participate in compulsory military training.
At the end of the training, each Swiss male is given a NATO FAL Assault rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition with instructions to keep them at home.
Of course the Greens are looking to overturn this long standing policy.
swissinfo.org/eng/top_news/detail/Ban_on_army_firearms_at_home_wins_support.html?siteSect=106&sid=7740490&cKey=1177249045000
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hosemonkey
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Even the Nazis did not want to take on an armed Switzerland. They went after easier targets.
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Wow, I’m really glad to see this thread. It has enlightened me. I can’t believe how much of a bad parent and bad husband I have been. For many years my wife and I went trap shooting together every week. Usually we’d go twice a week. After a few years we took up the sport of “Sporting Clays” which is similar to golf, has varied shooting stations, situations and is in a park like setting.
Now our 12 year old daughter is learning how to shoot. She has her own little rifle and had shot a handgun too.
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Here we are, thinking all this time that guns were a wholesome way for the family to enjoy family outings, for the family to spend time together, and to be outside in the fresh air on beautiful days. WOW I GUESS WE WERE WRONG
There is a big difference between gun ownership, the culture of violence and crime and murder. Yes its true that gun can be used to kill people. But so can cars and doctors. Statistically doctors kill people at a higher rate than guns. Guess we need to outlaw doctors? Or at least have a 7 day waiting period before we visit them? Or maybe limit our doctor visits to 1 per month? And those high capacity doctor visits, where several consult with each other in the hospital should clearly be banned too. Maybe the one thing that should not be banned are silencers and muzzle suppressors for doctors . . . those may actually be useful
Clearly there is a level of sarcasm in this post, but it is all based on factual information.Guns can be used to teach responsibility. Guns can be used to throw off an unjust monarchy. Guns can be used to put food on the table. Guns can be used to protect oneself and family, which is a grave duty according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Guns can be used to bring families closer together. And yes, guns can be used to commit crime; if your soul is black you can do all sorts of things with guns, knives, cars, baseball bats . . . or even doctors
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Are you somehow under the impression that someone killed with a gun is some how ‘more dead’ than someone that is killed by other means? I assure you that is not the case. Someone who loses a family member because they were brutally stabbed to death faces the same lose as if that person was brutally shot to dead. Therefore, instead of looking at gun-related deaths, let’s look look at all homicides.
Brazil has mandatory licensing, registration, and maximum personal ownership quotas. It now bans any new sales to private citizens. Yet, using U.S. data Bureau of Justice Statistics, “Homicide trends in the United States” and Brazil data Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, Brazil’s homicide rate is almost THREE times higher than the U.S. According to the U.N., as of 2005, Scotland was the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America. Violent crime there has doubled over the last 20 years. 3% of Scots had been victims of assault compared with 1.2% in America. The fact of the matter is that according to “Violence, Guns and Drugs: A Cross-Country Analysis” by Jeffery A. Miron, of the Department of Economics, Boston University; Countries with the strictest gun-control laws also tended to have the highest homicide rates.
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It is also VERY safe to say that overall deaths are MUCH higher in places where guns are restricted. The reason for this is obvious. Guns are also used for defensive purposes. A elderly man in a wheelchair is now in equal or superior footing against a younger & stronger attacker.
That is totally wrong and study after study has proven it to be wrong. Less deaths happen in places where guns are accessable because people have a means to defend themselves.
Your example is flawed because abortions accomplish only one thing – taking the life of an unborn child. Where as, guns can either illegally take an innocent life or protect an innocent life depending on how they are used. Some one who wishes to take a life does not need a gun to do so but someone who wishes to defend their life or that of a loved one, is placed on equal footing if they have a gun even if faced with a bigger & stronger attacker.
You are arguing two different things here as if they were the same thing and they are not. The facts are:
- Countries that allow guns DO have higher gun-related deaths than countries that do not allow guns.
- However, countries that allow guns have an overall murder rate that is LOWER than contries that restrict guns.
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Sir Knight, if I may be so bold as to mention one thing that I think you forgot in your otherwise excellent post . . . the defensive use of firearms by innocents actually exceeds the offensive use of firearms by criminals.
So the fact is that firearms are used to PREVENT more crime than they are used to COMMIT crime/violence. Further, it should also be pointed out that one need not fire the weapon to prevent the crime. According to the statistics I’ve seen, simply presenting the arm in defense of self/family has the effect of stopping many attacks without the need to fire the gun.
So the fact is that firearms are used to PREVENT more crime than they are used to COMMIT crime/violence. Further, it should also be pointed out that one need not fire the weapon to prevent the crime. According to the statistics I’ve seen, simply presenting the arm in defense of self/family has the effect of stopping many attacks without the need to fire the gun.
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vern_humphrey
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I seem to recall Jesus saying, “Cast the beam out of your own eye” before you remove the mote from someone else’s eye.
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I didn’t go thru and read every post, 11 pages is a lot! My father has always told us kids that gun control doesn’t work. The reasoning goes as follows.
“What makes a criminal, a criminal?”
“He breaks a law.”
“ok, so, if a law says that you can’t kill someone, and they do, that makes them a criminal?”
“Yes.”
“And what happens if they get caught?”
“They go to prison for a very long time.”
“How long?”
“It depends, it can be 25 to life.”
“Ok. What might they use to kill someone?”
“A gun is the easiest I guess.”
“Ok, so if they are willing to kill someone with a gun, even though its against the law to kill someone, would they give up their gun if it were illegal to own one?”
“No, because they didn’t follow the other, bigger law. Killing someone is worse than owning a gun.”
So, if a person is ok with stealing, assaulting and murder, then why would owning a gun suddenly bother their conscience? The only people who would give up their guns are the people who would never steal, assault or murder anyone in the first place.
“What makes a criminal, a criminal?”
“He breaks a law.”
“ok, so, if a law says that you can’t kill someone, and they do, that makes them a criminal?”
“Yes.”
“And what happens if they get caught?”
“They go to prison for a very long time.”
“How long?”
“It depends, it can be 25 to life.”
“Ok. What might they use to kill someone?”
“A gun is the easiest I guess.”
“Ok, so if they are willing to kill someone with a gun, even though its against the law to kill someone, would they give up their gun if it were illegal to own one?”
“No, because they didn’t follow the other, bigger law. Killing someone is worse than owning a gun.”
So, if a person is ok with stealing, assaulting and murder, then why would owning a gun suddenly bother their conscience? The only people who would give up their guns are the people who would never steal, assault or murder anyone in the first place.
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Sir_Knight
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Exactly and those people are not the problem in the first place.
and those people are not the problem in the first place.
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Nino
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Lets see now.gun control…that means only the fed and outlaws will be armed…if one trusts the folks running our gov.to be honest and fair…and if one trusts outlaws to never shoot innocent people.I guess outlawing ‘guns’ is just nifty! Those poor folks living in bad neighborhoods in fear and danger…they also must give up their weapons of defense…looking at the three platforms of the National Socialist party of germany, the fascist and communist parites…gun control is always high up on the list…but why quibble…
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jwedgie09
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Gun control does not prevent gun crime. If we make having guns illegal, only theifs and crooks will have them.
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vern_humphrey
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That’s certainly what happened in Washington, D.C., isn’t it?
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melensdad
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And Chicago too.That’s certainly what happened in Washington, D.C., isn’t it?
Fr Pfleger had to march all the way to Riverdale, IL to find a gun shop because they are illegal in the city! Then he went on his infamous tirade that guns are easily accessible in Illinois. PLEASE DON’T BELIEVE THAT, and least they are not easily accessible to HONEST people. Illinois has a Firearms Owners I.D. system, which is a fee based system that takes approximately 4 to 6 weeks to process a background check and then issues you an I.D. card. Only after you pay your money, pass your background check, and then get your card in the mail can you go into a gun store to buy a gun. And you are still subject to various waiting periods and local gun restrictions, and even outright bans on guns . . . like in Chicago where handguns are not permitted. But that doesn’t stop folks like Fr Pfleger from claiming that they are too easy to get. Heck he wants more restrictions added to a state that the Brady Campaign already suggests is one of the “role model” states in the union for restrictive gun controls.
Oh and then a few days after the rally and the infamous speechifying by Fr Pfleger there was a drive-by shooting with illegal weapons! Sure, guns are easy for the criminals to get. But honest folks have to wait a month or more to get them, and then may not even be allowed to get the type they desire/need.
Yup, I think gun control works really well. Especially if you hold 2 hands on the gun to keep it steady while you aim at your target.
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vern_humphrey
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As I have said, I have no objection with laws that would eliminate guns entirely – as long as I am the last person to give up his gun.
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jwedgie09
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Good point
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abu_kamoon
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How about Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and Communist China. They all have strict gun control laws. All guns are controlled by the state. Would that make you feel safe?
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