Does Hebrews 8:10-11 imply that God is limiting our free will?

[Tom_Baum]

My main point is that our free will is usually not 100% free, but varies considerably.

Actually, any “free will” that is NOT 100% free is not free at all.

So any so-called free will that is not 100% free, 100% of the time, is simply not free will, no matter what anyone may call it.

 

[Tom_Baum]

You’re not his puppet though, and you have the hard task of choosing him. God desires for us to live him, love can not be taken, nor can it be “programmed in” by not giving us free will. Love can only be given freely. As such, it is absolutely necessary that we be capable of enacting our wills and choosing for or against God.

It might not be comforting, but by denying free will you are denying God’s desire for us to love him.

What might be comforting is that it is written, “My Ways are not your ways and My Thoughts are not your thoughts”.

Could very well be that God has “Ways and Thoughts” concerning God’s Love and free will and other things that are, to put it mildly, way beyond our ways and thoughts.

God doesn’t even need our permission to have a PLAN that just might be “better” than plenty seem to even want God to have.

 

[TimothyH]

The verse has nothing to do with free will.

The author of Hebrews is quoting from the Book of the Prophet Jeremiah, chapter 31, verses 31 through 34.

quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/rsv-idx?type=citation&book=Jeremiah&chapno=31&startverse=31&endverse=34

The whole book of Hebrews is about how Jesus is the great high priest, how temple worship is a forshadow of true, heavenly, Eucharistic worship, and how the old covenant has been replaced by the new covenant. Jeremiah prophesied this six centuries before Christ.

Y’all can discuss free will if you want the verse has nothing to do with free will.

-Tim-

 

[Tom_Baum]

The verse has nothing to do with free will.

The author of Hebrews is quoting from the Book of the Prophet Jeremiah, chapter 31, verses 31 through 34.

quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/rsv-idx?type=citation&book=Jeremiah&chapno=31&startverse=31&endverse=34

The whole book of Hebrews is about how Jesus is the great high priest, how temple worship is a forshadow of true, heavenly, Eucharistic worship, and how the old covenant has been replaced by the new covenant. Jeremiah prophesied this six centuries before Christ.

Y’all can discuss free will if you want the verse has nothing to do with free will.

-Tim-

Actually, the verses in question Hebrews 8: 10-11, “But this is the covenant I will establish with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws in their minds and I will write them upon their hearts. I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall not teach, each one his fellow citizen and kinsman, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know me, from least to greatest.”, have not yet been completely fulfilled.

These verses are among many, in the bible, that are awaiting fulfillment.

 

[mikekle]

The way I see it, our free will is like our earthly bodies, as it goes away right when we die, if we are longer able to make choices, then free will is limited and temporary.

Ive mentioned this before on here in different threads, and to be honest, Im still on the fence on this one…since God made us as truly immortal beings, meaning our souls are immortal, and that is what we really are, so this means we are immortal, only thing that is not, is our flesh and blood bodies, so it doesnt make sense God would grant us such a great gift for it to be a temporary one, this does not sound like God imo.

I think maybe when people live their lives on earth without God in it, and die in that state, while they likely go to hell, if they had true free will, they could call out to God at anytime and ask for forgiveness and be saved by him, what would be different than if the person is alive and suddenly realizes they made a mistake, they pray and give their hearts to God, and he saves them…well, why would it matter if we are in our earthly bodies or not, our souls were created to be immortal at our birth, no reason this should be taken away just because we die.

 

[Tom_Baum]

The way I see it, our free will is like our earthly bodies, as it goes away right when we die, if we are longer able to make choices, then free will is limited and temporary.

Ive mentioned this before on here in different threads, and to be honest, Im still on the fence on this one…since God made us as truly immortal beings, meaning our souls are immortal, and that is what we really are, so this means we are immortal, only thing that is not, is our flesh and blood bodies, so it doesnt make sense God would grant us such a great gift for it to be a temporary one, this does not sound like God imo.

I think maybe when people live their lives on earth without God in it, and die in that state, while they likely go to hell, if they had true free will, they could call out to God at anytime and ask for forgiveness and be saved by him, what would be different than if the person is alive and suddenly realizes they made a mistake, they pray and give their hearts to God, and he saves them…well, why would it matter if we are in our earthly bodies or not, our souls were created to be immortal at our birth, no reason this should be taken away just because we die.

You bring up an interesting scenario concerning free will in that it may survive our earthly demise.

I think, and as I am saying this is my opinion, that there may just be quite a few things that some seem to think are set in stone, concerning God, as far as their knowing it to be and there just might be many things about God that some of us just might be wrong about.

For one thing, there are many who speak of “two” judgments, and with many of these people, it seems as if the second judgment is just to confirm the first judgment.

Could be that God just might have an idea concerning these two judgments that might be in conflict with what some seem to think is “set in stone” concerning these two judgments.

As I have said before and I repeat, I think that some of those that believe in God are in for a much greater surprise when they meet God than some of those that do not believe in God will have when they meet God.

Another thing that is my opinion and that is that some of those that do not believe in God might not "not believe in God’ but might not believe in the “conception” of God that many who believe in God, have of God.