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fakename
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Just wondering -I think that commercials against pirating argue this but I’m not sure if it is very likely to be true.
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jmcrae
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If it’s wide-spread, it does. I used to work for a software development company, but it went out of business for that reason - people were just sharing the software among themselves instead of buying it.
I am not employed in that industry any more, and I don’t think the company is in business any more. It just wasn’t worth it.
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ProVobis
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Infringing a copyright (or a patentable process) is stealing intellectual property. The U.S. has severe laws against any kind of plagiarism but there are countries which allow copying to no end.
Does it cause unemployment? Yes, if royalty fees aren’t properly collected, then no revenues, no paid employees.
Does it cause unemployment? Yes, if royalty fees aren’t properly collected, then no revenues, no paid employees.
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Trader
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After singing in choirs for more than forty years and seeing a copyright notice on all our music, I am pretty sure the former practice of illegal copying by churches in the sixties and seventies has caused a dearth of composers of good church music today.
I enjoy singing the great church music of Bach and Mozart and Gregorian chant in our 150 year old cathedral, but I feel sorry for a lot of parishes that only use contempory music that is inferior musically and theologically. We could very well have better new music available if we had not destroyed the abiltiy of good composers to make a living writing church music.
With the new translation of the Mass starting this Advent, we will need new settings for the Sanctus and Creed for sure. I am pretty sure we will be using more music in Latin that is faithful to approved text. Who is going to compose good music without getting paid for it? With a few exceptions, like Mozart and Schubert, great composers were not great overnight. Many took decades to learn to write music worth remembering for centuries.
I enjoy singing the great church music of Bach and Mozart and Gregorian chant in our 150 year old cathedral, but I feel sorry for a lot of parishes that only use contempory music that is inferior musically and theologically. We could very well have better new music available if we had not destroyed the abiltiy of good composers to make a living writing church music.
With the new translation of the Mass starting this Advent, we will need new settings for the Sanctus and Creed for sure. I am pretty sure we will be using more music in Latin that is faithful to approved text. Who is going to compose good music without getting paid for it? With a few exceptions, like Mozart and Schubert, great composers were not great overnight. Many took decades to learn to write music worth remembering for centuries.
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fakename
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Yes it causes people to lose jobs but to clarify -does it cause people to lose jobs more or less permanently?
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jmcrae
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It causes small companies to go out of business, which causes the permanent loss of all of the jobs in those companies. Since small business is the engine of the economy, it doesn’t make good economic sense to put them out of business by stealing their products.
If you steal something from Microsoft or Adobe, they get their money back and more by suing you for everything you’ve got, but small companies can’t do that - so they just go out of business, and terminate all of their employees.
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Peggy_in_Burien
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Yes, it can cause people to lose their jobs. I lost mine because of folks making illegal copies of newspaper stories from the internet, thereby not paying my employer for the legal clipping service. I was the first person in over 120 years of the clipping service’s existance to be laid-off.
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Nec5
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Depends on the circumstance. If you were never ever going to buy the thing in the first place (as in didn’t really care about it but wanted to try it), then the answer is no. If done on a wide scale, then possibly yes.
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ProVobis
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I don’t know if they will still charge royalty fees, but I believe the ICEL will continue to have copyrights on all the translations. Which is interesting since some of the newer translations (Gloria, Creed, Sanctus) are of Anglican origins (I checked the 16th century Cranmer version) This even includes the “The Lord BE with you,” “LIFT up your hearts,” “hallowed” and some other things we’ve accepted, though today’s Latinists probably would not have translated it the same.
This may seem trivial but I remember several years ago the composer of the popular “Happy Birthday” song sued a movie producer for not getting the required permission placing it inside a movie.
OTOH, “Jubilate Deo” (mimimum repertoire of Latin chants) was put into the public domain by Pope Paul VI but it didn’t seem to draw too much interest. Hopefully this will change.
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ProVobis
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Which is why I can’t understand why warning labels were never placed on xerox machines. Newspapers, magazines, books, etc. are technically not to be copied or scanned into websites. As an aspiring organists, I was warned not to xerox one of the pages (so as not to have to turn the page while I was playing.) In other words, learn to turn the page or buy another publication. Of course these days you can make your own publication if you take the matter from the public domain or write your own, taking care not to copy pieces of someone else’s music. (Anyone remember the “My Sweet Lord” controversy which only involved three notes?)
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JimG
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Yes, Xerox machines were used for a lot of copyright violations, and no doubt still are.
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TimothyH
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The more important question is, does it cause those who infringe on copyrights to loose their eternal salvation?
I fear that there are a whole bunch of people who are going to have to explain their use of torrents to upload and download books, movies and software when they stand before the Lord.
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Trader
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One of my favorites is the Mozart setting of the Eucharistic hymn Ave Verum Corpus by one of the 14th century Pope Innocents (variously attributed to Innocent III, IV, or VI). We have sung it with a string quartet for Holy Week, with a full symphony orchestra in Fort Wayne Philharmonic Concert, and with organ for Corpus Christi.
When we sang it for our Eucharistic Congresses of 2000 and 2007 at Notre Dame, we used the public domain version–same notes and same words as the copyrighted version, but no dynamic markings. Dynamic markings were not used in Mozart’s day. It would have been very expensive to use the copyrighted version for me and 10,000 close personal friends.
Mozart did not complain. He died 5 December 1791 and has been decomposing ever since then.
Here is a little ear candy with what I think is a Spanish translation
youtube.com/watch?v=6KUDs8KJc_c
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jmcrae
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Gorgeous!
It seems as if it’s actually in Latin, but with Spanish sub-titles. Even so - very beautiful!
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Texas_Roofer
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Actually in the purest sense copyright infringment increases employment, though it should not be done. The commericals refer to loss of American jobs which are replaced by foreign jobs as pirates
There are no permantent jobs most jobs are replaced by productivity improvement. Some professions as motherhood last through time but even these professions change people.
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That would make them self-employed, non-union, tax evading pirates in need of parental correction before they make theft of intellectual property a career choice.
The majority of pirates are 13 year old kids working for free.
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edwest2
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Copyright infringement increases employment for those who illegally pirate tangible items. It decreases employment for those who produce tangible items which can be scanned and put on the web.
Peace,
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edwest2
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Here, the CEO of Dark Horse comics tells us in no uncertain words about the end result of illegal copies, also known as file sharing.
“The other trend that is impacting comic sales is the pirating of work. In some cases we saw our books go up before they were even shipped. We’ve been pretty aggressive going after them, but they spring up as fast as you can put them out there. Until copyrights and trademarks are respected that will also have an impact. Most people are honest but some people feel they have the right to steal this material. What they don’t realize, is that if it continues, they’ll eventually put creators out of this business because they can’t afford to not get paid for their work. Obviously the publishers feel the same way. We put a lot of effort and work into the projects we do, and it’s not appropriate for people to steal them. Unfortunately we have a society where a certain segment feels that it’s fine to steal material.”
Libraries have copying machines with the full knowledge and consent of publishers who know their work may be reproduced in small quantities for use in research, term papers and other “fair use.”
Some years back, my company would get phone calls from Kinko’s because they had a customer who wanted to copy an entire book of ours. The answer was - no.
Peace,
Ed
“The other trend that is impacting comic sales is the pirating of work. In some cases we saw our books go up before they were even shipped. We’ve been pretty aggressive going after them, but they spring up as fast as you can put them out there. Until copyrights and trademarks are respected that will also have an impact. Most people are honest but some people feel they have the right to steal this material. What they don’t realize, is that if it continues, they’ll eventually put creators out of this business because they can’t afford to not get paid for their work. Obviously the publishers feel the same way. We put a lot of effort and work into the projects we do, and it’s not appropriate for people to steal them. Unfortunately we have a society where a certain segment feels that it’s fine to steal material.”
Libraries have copying machines with the full knowledge and consent of publishers who know their work may be reproduced in small quantities for use in research, term papers and other “fair use.”
Some years back, my company would get phone calls from Kinko’s because they had a customer who wanted to copy an entire book of ours. The answer was - no.
Peace,
Ed
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Texas_Roofer
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to some extent yes, however the single source has a vested interest to under supply the market (lower supply means higher price) thus under employ. The pirate has no such advantage. This of course is not addressing the moral issue.
He may not be entirely correct, for example I have heard a new singer/song writer might only receive 5% for his creation while the record label retains 95% so his concerns maybe more based on the industries ablity to feed on the artist than the concern for the artist. Ultimately all copyright, trademarks and patient laws need cleaned up or brought forward from the 1920 standards used to install them. Again in no way am I supporting violating personal property rights.
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