Does Islam worship the same God?

[inJESUS]

It’s fine to admit there is no convincing answer, after all Christianity is a religion of faith in the heart and not so much reason and logic. I don’t mean that to redicule or mock about your faith.

so if we prove to you from the Bible that God has Wisdom and Holy Spirit, will you agree it is in the Bible but you will shout it is corruption because Allah has neither Wisdom nor Spirit right?

 

[inJESUS]

Hello,

man, I leave a post and come back to it with such weird things being said. sheesh!

This is not in Islam. According to ignorant fatwa givers, they put out what they wish. This is not in accordance with the Shaira’h laws and they have NO PROOF to substantiate this claim. I heard of this fatwa and it was from the Al Azhar University…and trust me, you must be extremely cautious of what comes out of that school.

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Do not put your trust in something you just read without getting the facts first. Only common sense. eh?***

Americanrevert

wow, and Al-Azhar being a prominent Islamic university…talk about confusion in Islam where Allah preserved the letters but all confuse the meaning.

 

[inJESUS]

He created you, so why do you think you deserve for Him to die for you??? You think that is a merciful god so you can have a god die for you because you think you are worthy of that? i never ever heard a Christian from any denomination utter this nonesense…i’d invite you to start reading the NT, dear “revert”, before you keep discrediting not only Islam, but yourself.

Edit:

“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

in other words, we do not deserve it, it is God’s love…shows you haven’t came across this sentense…shows you haven’t read the NT to begin with since not one single sentence you uttered since you joined this forum proves you ever read the NT.

 

[inJESUS]

What, you want photos?

video tapes would do…but wait, they’ll claim these are not the disciples, they "appear to be " but they are not…after all, you will mistrust anyone if you mistrust God’s faithfulness…

 

[Americanrevert]

Hello

ok you shout and shout and create problems in your mind and expect us , who know the Church history, to agree with you who say Jesus is the Holy Spirit and who have no clue about the church history? you even say God does not author the previous scriptures when many passages say He does? did you even read the Bible? did you read history?

WHERE is the book refered to in this aya “confirming what is with you” ? WHERE on earth is that book Muhammad is confirming? shouting and shouting , ignorance of both OT and NT and tradition, and no proof for any claim…and you are supposed to present an ideal of Islamic approaches just because you shout?

***Who is shouting ***

I never claimed to be an expert in Christian Theology did I? The church History isn’t that hard to find out about. I did just a little research in it. But THAT WAS ENOUGH lol.

I think you are getting a little bit agitated? Calm down. If you know so much of your Bible, which you claim you do, IT SAYS, IN THE SCRIPTURES that Jesus is the Holy Spirit… and in another place the Angel Jibril. Not my ordeal to deal with…it’s yall’s.

Yes, I say that God does not author the scriptures because there is no proof that He did. He doesn’t say, “THE BIBLE IS FROM ME, BELIEVE IN IT.” Common sense will tell you that even from unknown authors there is no way you can attribute the Bible as being the word of God…no way how can it?? No proof is what I am saying. I have no qualms about that.

lol now, if you had your books preserved, which Muslims already know you do not, then it would be right in front of your eyes perhaps eh? “And God is talking to the Messengers” This is what I mean, no proof of your belief but of words on men, scriptures with no proofs, stories UNBELIEVABLE TO THE EARS AND EYES…ya gotta trust me on that…read Ezekiel lol

I am only confronting what IS IN THE BIBLE. who’s shouting? The words are there, the topic is there, it isn’t my ignorance that put it there.



Americanrevert

 

[Booklover]

It’s fine to admit there is no convincing answer, after all Christianity is a religion of faith in the heart and not so much reason and logic. I don’t mean that to redicule or mock about your faith.

Excuse me, but where is the logic in Islam? I see an awful lot of hype, triumphalistic nonsense and circular reasoning! Do you consider it reasonable to accept the so-called private revelations of a man who assumed a lot of power by declaring himself Allah’s messenger and teaching that obeying him was just like obeying Allah? Do you not see the fallacy in this? And you’ve staked your immortal soul on the words of such a man!

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

Hello,

Surely you have brains to think for yourself right? You let the church, something that Jesus NEVER ENTERED WHILST HERE ON EARTH, do all your thinking for you? Have you ever thought that they could be wrong, or are you thinkin that many people accept this faith so it must be right? Where is the logic in this? Think that numbers play a role in your belief? Do you not care for your salvation? Do you not owe it to yourself to find the truth? Surely you can’t sit on the bench this long eh?

Americanrevert

You have no proof that the one and only God ever dictated the Quran! **You only have Muhammad’s words for that. **

It’s so funny to hear Muslims accuse others of not using their intellect and reason when Islam does not allow Muslims to question any of its nonsensical and primitive teachings and spells out everything a Muslim has to do and how to do it!

Vickie

 

[Americanrevert]

**Hello,

God gave man the right to choose or refuse. God created man with the power of logical thinking. God created man with the ability to understand.

In all that we have been talking about, have you not used your gifts and understood anything?

Americanrevert

**

 

[Booklover]

Hello

***Who is shouting ***

I never claimed to be an expert in Christian Theology did I? The church History isn’t that hard to find out about. I did just a little research in it. But THAT WAS ENOUGH lol.

I think you are getting a little bit agitated? Calm down. If you know so much of your Bible, which you claim you do, IT SAYS, IN THE SCRIPTURES that Jesus is the Holy Spirit… and in another place the Angel Jibril. Not my ordeal to deal with…it’s yall’s.

Yes, I say that God does not author the scriptures because there is no proof that He did. He doesn’t say, “THE BIBLE IS FROM ME, BELIEVE IN IT.” Common sense will tell you that even from unknown authors there is no way you can attribute the Bible as being the word of God…no way how can it?? No proof is what I am saying. I have no qualms about that.

lol now, if you had your books preserved, which Muslims already know you do not, then it would be right in front of your eyes perhaps eh? “And God is talking to the Messengers” This is what I mean, no proof of your belief but of words on men, scriptures with no proofs, stories UNBELIEVABLE TO THE EARS AND EYES…ya gotta trust me on that…read Ezekiel lol

I am only confronting what IS IN THE BIBLE. who’s shouting? The words are there, the topic is there, it isn’t my ignorance that put it there.



Americanrevert

**You are shouting at us by bolding your posts all the time! **

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

Hello,

God gave man the right to choose or refuse. God created man with the power of logical thinking. God created man with the ability to understand.

In all that we have been talking about, have you not used your gifts and understood anything?

Americanrevert

Yes, God created man with free will, but where is the free will in Islam when everything is spelled out for you including how to wipe yourself when you go to the bathroom? Do you call that logical or reasonable???

Vickie

 

[scipio337]

**Hello,

God gave man the right to choose or refuse. God created man with the power of logical thinking. God created man with the ability to understand.

In all that we have been talking about, have you not used your gifts and understood anything?

Americanrevert

**

So why are apostates killed in Islam?

This suggests to me that they aren’t the same.

 

[Lisa44]

Does Islam worship the same God?

No. Definately not.

There are no similarities between Christianity and Islam.

Just take one small matter like marriage. Jesus did not allow divorce or polygamy. Muhammad said you can marry up to four wives and divorce any one of them by simply saying I divorce you three times.

Comparing Islam to Christianity is comparing apples and oranges.

The writers of the Koran referenced the bible to give themselves credability. And to dupe uneducated people into believing that God, contrary to what he said in the bible, sent another prophet with the exact opposite message to the one he had sent before.

If one was to imagine that all scriptures are written by men, and none by God, then the Bible would have been written by the most profoundly wise and educated men on the planet and the Koran would be written by a drunk uneducated man.

That is how they compare to each other in a literary sense.

The Koran is the most rediculous book I’ve ever read. The bible is the most profound.

 

[morning_star777]

It is true that our God and islamic God is not same,because islam denies Jesus as God.So I think, this type of thinking is not useful.Jesus Is GOD and islam denies it.So there are no similarity.These two faiths are totally different faith.Islamic faith has some similarity to JW,because JW believe that jesus is angel Michael and islam teach that Jesus is prophet Isa.So my personal view point(no need to take it seriously)is,it is a blasphemy to jesus if any christian believe even for a single time that islamic God and our God is same!Btw,we know that not just holy father but also holy son and holy spirit is God with equal honor.so GOD is holy trinity,not only the father.So If we want to find any similarity to the God of Christians then we have to find the similarity with holy trinity,not only with holy father.My wise christian friends correct me if my statement is wrong.I am new in christianity and still a student,You(christian friends)know.Jesus Bless all Good persons in the world.

 

[dan1el]

Often Christianity is lumped together with Judaism and Islam as monotheist religions. I understand and accept that the three all worship only 1 God, but am questioning whether Muslims believe in the same God as Christians.

For instance, why would it be necessary for God to send another prophet, Mohammad, after Jesus? Jesus was not a prophet, but God…so for what necessity would God need to send a prophet after Jesus? Additionally, Muslims claim Jesus was only a prophet and even touch on the Blessed Mother in the Koran. While this seems to make them similiar to the God of Christianity, they still seem way off in their beliefs compared to both Christians and Jews. Islam itself means “submission.” Muslims I have meant, and much of what I have read, interpret this to mean a lack of free will. Perhaps I am misinterpreting…but, if not this is drastically different than Christian theology that puts great import on the doctrine of free will.

Also, while we have fundamentalist that are violent in Christianity we don’t seem to have the identical problems of Islam in that you are either Muslim or you are wrong. Our God preaches love for neighbor and that each person is judged upon death. I hate to lump all Muslims together, but feel that their religion lacks many substantial qualities of Christianity. As a result, I wonder whether they should be considered to worship the same God? Thoughts?

It is impossible for Muslims to worship the same God, because,

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.” 1 John 2:22-24

It is impossible for them to worship the Father because they deny the Son; whoever denies the Son DOES NOT HAVE THE FATHER. I know, I was forced into Islam at a young age on account of my step-father, who was from Sudan: nearly every Muslim friend of his that I met was full of darkness and hatred. I have met some Muslims who were not like that, though.

They may INTEND to worship the same God, but this fault also they share with the Pharisees:

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
John 8:43-45

What ever their intent, they have “greatly erred” Mark 12:27.

God bless you.

 

[Booklover]

Hello,

You say the Muslim faith is illogical. Give me one place and we will have a dialogue~with no abuse if possible.

 

[dan1el]

omg Booklover

I’m gonna have to use these sometime in the future hahaha

 

[Booklover]

omg Booklover

I’m gonna have to use these sometime in the future hahaha

Yep, hilarious aren’t they!

Vickie

 

[Matariel]

I never claimed to be an expert in Christian Theology did I? The church History isn’t that hard to find out about. I did just a little research in it. But THAT WAS ENOUGH lol.

Not quite, as you are clueless as to what you’re talking about.

I think you are getting a little bit agitated? Calm down. If you know so much of your Bible, which you claim you do, IT SAYS, IN THE SCRIPTURES that Jesus is the Holy Spirit… and in another place the Angel Jibril. Not my ordeal to deal with…it’s yall’s.

Refrences, verses, please?

Yes, I say that God does not author the scriptures because there is no proof that He did.

Bulls***.

He doesn’t say, “THE BIBLE IS FROM ME, BELIEVE IN IT.” Common sense will tell you that even from unknown authors there is no way you can attribute the Bible as being the word of God…no way how can it?? No proof is what I am saying. I have no qualms about that.

For one, I believe in the Church, which tells me it’s the word of God. The Church is the only logical and reasonable religious institution in the world, whereas Islam is unreasonable, and somewhat infantile and violent.

lol now, if you had your books preserved, which Muslims already know you do not, then it would be right in front of your eyes perhaps eh?

Preserved…? Go to your local bookstore.

“And God is talking to the Messengers” This is what I mean, no proof of your belief but of words on men, scriptures with no proofs, stories UNBELIEVABLE TO THE EARS AND EYES…ya gotta trust me on that…read Ezekiel lol

Ezekiel describes the glorious Cherubim. I bet you’re willing to cut anything angelic (including Mohammed’s “ride” to Heaven, LOL) out of the Koran, aren’t you?

I am only confronting what IS IN THE BIBLE. who’s shouting? The words are there, the topic is there, it isn’t my ignorance that put it there.

So far, you have not cited one verse…
Still waiting…

(Crickets chirping in background)

 

[inJESUS]

I never claimed to be an expert in Christian Theology did I?

 

[cathopologist]

little research is enough about a church started 2000 years ago? and did your research show you the apostles’ disciples who quoted the nowadays OT and NT did not know who they took their teachings from? i guess you need to start reading them in order to realize once for all that you are presenting us with what you think is a problem when we wouldn’t even blink our eye over it.

Islam was borne out of that “lil research” (aka “borrowing”), hence their simplistic logic of God and the Truth. When the actual evidence is before them, they flee and dodge. And when they tire, they fire. Simple.