Does it matter that the Democratic party took God and Israel off its platform

[7_Sorrows]

I am not sure if they have become Episcopalians or not, although the Episcopalians welcome all baptized Christians to receive in their Holy Communion. Their son attends an Episcopal school.

 

[lilypadrees]

I am not sure if they have become Episcopalians or not, although the Episcopalians welcome all baptized Christians to receive in their Holy Communion. Their son attends an Episcopal school.

I don’t think they’ve converted. That would make the news. But they were married in an Episcopal church and seem to attend services there. Maybe they didn’t want to bicker about which church to raise Barron in (Presbyterian or Catholic).

 

[7_Sorrows]

More than likely. That is how I was raised in the Episcopal church. I had one Catholic and one Lutheran parent, but neither of them practiced their faith. They were not married in a church. My mother might have converted to the Episcopal faith, but I don’t think my Dad ever did.

 

[TheLittleLady]

When someone makes a claim, it is important they can back up the claim.

As I posted above, the DNC’s position on Israel is clear.

I would like to see where “God was removed” from the DNC platform.

 

[upant]

DNC’s position on Israel is clear.

this was 2012, but you get the idea. the lead did override the no vote, but they did not have the votes to do it. the party members removed God from their platform. their actions after this just go to prove that God exist only in the official wording not in party policies.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Platforms are official documents. It seems that there is not a link available to the document(s), correct?

 

[upant]

It seems that there is not a link available to the document(s), correct?

did you watch the video? the platform you showed is not the will of the party members. it is propaganda. look at what the dems have pushed in the obama years. where is God promoted?

I would like to see where “God was removed” from the DNC platform

from the website you posted where is God mentioned? God needs to be in it to be removed.

a search only shows “God-given potential” three time. is this all they need to do to be on God’s side?

would you like to see what it means to have God in your platform? the gop platform states:

Every time we sing, “God Bless America,” we
are asking for help. We ask for divine help that our
> country can fulfill its promise. We earn that help by
recommitting ourselves to the ideas and ideals that
are the true greatness of America.

That God bestows certain inalienable
> rights on every individual, thus producing human
equality; that government exists first and foremost
to protect those inalienable rights; that man-made
> law must be consistent with God-given, natural
> rights; and that if God-given, natural, inalienable
rights come in conflict with government, court,
or human-granted rights, God-given, natural,
> inalienable rights always prevail; that there is a
moral law recognized as “the Laws of Nature and
of Nature’s God”; and that American government
is to operate with the consent of the governed

Our First Amendment rights are not given to
us by the government but are rights we inherently
possess. The government cannot use subsequent
amendments to limit First Amendment rights. The
Free Exercise Clause is both an individual and a
collective liberty protecting a right to worship God
> according to the dictates of conscience. Therefore,
we strongly support the freedom of Americans to
act in accordance with their religious beliefs, not
only in their houses of worship, but also in their
everyday lives.

Lawful gun ownership enables
Americans to exercise their God-given right of self-defense
for the safety of their homes, their loved
ones, and their communities.

Strong families, depending upon God and one another,
advance the cause of liberty by lessening the need
for government in their daily lives.

 

[TheLittleLady]

We are talking past each other. I wish you well.

 

[upant]

We are talking past each other. I wish you well.

is this a simple way of say God is not in the dem platform?

 

[TheLittleLady]

It is a simple way to say that I am the sort who seeks out evidence through primary source documentation.

From the responses, perhaps that is not the sort of evidence that you need in order to believe a statement. We can continue to banter, but, in the end our means of gaining knowledge are disparate.

If we seek God in a modern major political party we will always be disappointed.

 

[upant]

If we seek God in a modern major political party we will always be disappointed.

you said show where God was taken out of the platform. i said He isn’t in it. we see Him in the gop platform

i want evidence that He is in the dem platform.

 

[TheLittleLady]

No, I asked you to provide the party platform documents to back up your claim. The written documents that are available to the public. You posted a video. A video is not an official platform.

To compare, it is as if someone claimed that “building a wall” is in the Constitution of the United States.

I asked for the official documentation and the person posted a video of a Trump campaign speech where he said that he will “build a wall”.

 

[upant]

o, I asked you to provide the party platform documents to back up your claim.

you don’t seem to understand. i can’t show you the dems taking God out of the party platform because I can’t find God in it.

I don’t know when they removed mention of God. I don’t see anything in the platform that references God like the repubs do. show me where He is still in it. this will prove your point. or has God never existed in the dem platform?

the video shows the membership rejecting a motion. when the platform was actually reworded is not documented.

what we can see is the lack of reference to God in the dem platform.

again show me where He is still in it.

 

[TheLittleLady]

The title of this thread “took God and Israel off”.

One cannot take off what was did not exist in the first place.

I demonstrated where the official Platform of the Democratic Party does address not only Israel but the entire Middle East.

My request is that the composer of this title prove their statement. You are not the original poster, I wonder if they plan to return.

 

[upant]

One cannot take off what was did not exist in the first place.

so you admit God is not in the dem platform?

He was at one time. i would like documentation as to when He was removed also!

 

[TheLittleLady]

One cannot expect another to “admit” to something that is an unsubstantiated claim.

 

[upant]

One cannot expect another to “admit” to something that is an unsubstantiated claim.

OK, please show me where God is, in the dem platform

 

[TheLittleLady]

For the second time, I bow out. In polite debate, one does not make a claim and then when asked to substantiate that claim require the skeptic to prove YOUR claims.

Sorry, this is not a Fox News panel.

 

[upant]

For the second time, I bow out. In polite debate, one does not make a claim and then when asked to substantiate that claim require the skeptic to prove YOUR claims.

Sorry, this is not a Fox News panel.

i am not the op. i am asking a separate question based on your responses. you want proof of something that can’t be proved because it isn’t there. unless “i” missed it. so i offered you the opportunity to show me where i read their platform wrong.

it should not be difficult if God is in the platform.

 

[Peebo]

Yes I thought that trump was presperterian? And communion is a symbol?

Are you meaning presbyterian?

He is Presbyterian. She is Roman Catholic.

Unknown…her father was an atheist and communist party member…he never allowed his children to be baptized…when did she become Catholic…if she is a practicing Catholic why did she marry in a Protestant church and still attends a Protestant church…that is a sin in the eyes of the church…why isn’t her son being raised Catholic…that is a sin in the eyes of the church…she is living in mortal sin of adultery as she is married to a man who has been married twice before…where is her baptismal certificate…her confirmation certificate…she may identify herself as Catholic which is a good thing without actually being one…if she were to be a genuine baptized Catholic then she really is living in grave sin… I’m not saying anything against her personally…she seems like a pleasant refined lady…it would be better for her not to be Catholic as she would not be under the same gravity of sin in a Protestant church