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Rutherford2
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I wondered if Jesus Christ also laughed like us when amused.
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Roseeurekacross
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Jesus fully human, finite and human like us in everything except sin.
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Mboo
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Jesus was also perfectly holy (for being God). And a perfectly holy man perfectly practices all the virtues.Jesus fully human, finite and human like us in everything except sin.
We can therefore say that Jesus also perfectly practiced the virtue of “serious people” (serious people laugh very little …). I don’t know how to name this vertu in English, but in french it’s call “vertu de gravite”
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christofirst
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I’m convinced Jesus had a sense of humor, though I don’t believe he is actually shown laughing in Scripture. I’ve read about examples he used in his public discourse that his listeners would have seen as ironic or humorous, even though it might not always translate that way in our time. Even giving his apostles James and John the nicknames “sons of thunder” seems somewhat playful and humorous to me. I find it hard to imagine his closest friends and the diverse crowds he drew would have been so attracted to him if he was completely serious all the time or rarely if ever laughed, but that’s just my opinion.
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Roseeurekacross
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MBOO if you deny the fully human nature of Jesus, you commit heresy… Jesus was fully human in everything, except sin.
Jesus laughed, cried, got angry, frustrated, happy , joyful, anxious, knew rejection. everything we all go through
suffering, hardship, hunger, cold, heat, thirst. The human Jesus cursed a tree that was not producing fruit! destroyed market stalls in a temple. Was a radical rabble rouser.
we do not say Jesus was serious all the time,
Jesus celebrated, Jesus was happy and celebrated with His friends, He ate with them, drank wine with them, danced and cried with them.
Lets not forget how Jesus changed water into wine for a wedding feast. What a wonderful friend to have at your wedding when all your other friends drank the bar dry!
the great problem with Christianity today is focussing on the Divinity of Jesus, as this was what the church focussed on for centuries. And forgetting about the Human Jesus. Its a heresy called cryptomonophysitism. (Spelling corrected for those looking it up).
its also a heresy that the gnostics, the docetists, and others were propounding .
Jesus laughed, cried, got angry, frustrated, happy , joyful, anxious, knew rejection. everything we all go through
suffering, hardship, hunger, cold, heat, thirst. The human Jesus cursed a tree that was not producing fruit! destroyed market stalls in a temple. Was a radical rabble rouser.
we do not say Jesus was serious all the time,
Jesus celebrated, Jesus was happy and celebrated with His friends, He ate with them, drank wine with them, danced and cried with them.
Lets not forget how Jesus changed water into wine for a wedding feast. What a wonderful friend to have at your wedding when all your other friends drank the bar dry!
the great problem with Christianity today is focussing on the Divinity of Jesus, as this was what the church focussed on for centuries. And forgetting about the Human Jesus. Its a heresy called cryptomonophysitism. (Spelling corrected for those looking it up).
its also a heresy that the gnostics, the docetists, and others were propounding .
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Mboo
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did I say that Jesus was not fully human? I said he was also holy. And the holy people are serious, that is to say, laugh very little without necessity.
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Roseeurekacross
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they are not serious all the time. you cannot say all holy people are serious. and do little laughing
Are you forgetting that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is JOY
really you are committing idoltary now if you are going to subscribe your bias and prejudice to God. What you subscribe to God , if it is your view ,your bias, your prejudice, such as saying Oh God would never laugh, Jesus would never laugh,
is a form of idolatry. Gods ways are not our ways. But when the Word becomes Flesh and dwells amongst us, He is fully human. And all humans laugh. Look at babies. one of the first things they do is laugh. And was Jesus not a baby, did Jesus not have to develop as human babies and children and adults do.
Are you forgetting that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is JOY
really you are committing idoltary now if you are going to subscribe your bias and prejudice to God. What you subscribe to God , if it is your view ,your bias, your prejudice, such as saying Oh God would never laugh, Jesus would never laugh,
is a form of idolatry. Gods ways are not our ways. But when the Word becomes Flesh and dwells amongst us, He is fully human. And all humans laugh. Look at babies. one of the first things they do is laugh. And was Jesus not a baby, did Jesus not have to develop as human babies and children and adults do.
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Mboo
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it is about spiritual joy, which coexists very well with the sadness of the sensitive part of our soul. Thus in Getsemani when Jesus was dying, he was always in spiritual joy, even if the sensitive part of his soul was sad to die.Are you forgetting that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is JOY
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Roseeurekacross
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joy is joy, joy is happiness,
Joy is laughter. Joy is being happy . Joy is smiling , joy is laughing. Joy is sharing and being infectious in our Joy, our passion for God.
please don’t make huge leaps into statements you cannot validate. They just lead the conversation astray
Joy is laughter. Joy is being happy . Joy is smiling , joy is laughing. Joy is sharing and being infectious in our Joy, our passion for God.
please don’t make huge leaps into statements you cannot validate. They just lead the conversation astray
hus in Getsemani when Jesus was dying, he was always in spiritual joy, even if the sensitive part of his soul was sad to die.
Sensitive part of our soul? Got some backing for that one, lets start thereit is about spiritual joy, which coexists very well with the sadness of the sensitive part of our soul.
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angel12
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Your personal opinion only.And the holy people are serious, that is to say, laugh very little without necessity.
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Mboo
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This is also the opinion of St. Augustine, of St. Albert the Great, and it is even written in the Bible that laughter is a foolishness (Eccle 2: 2).
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Mboo
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Read in the theological sum of St Thomas, the chapters which presents the joy and sorrows of Jesus.Sensitive part of our soul? Got some backing for that one, lets start there
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Roseeurekacross
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no thanks, show me vatican documents stating we have a sensitive part of our soul. or that any part of our soul has been defined.
because we need to be able to interpret whats being said. If st thomas who lived how many centuries ago, said it, its very likely he meant very different to how you have intepreted it.
so lets see a vatican dissection of the soul…
because we need to be able to interpret whats being said. If st thomas who lived how many centuries ago, said it, its very likely he meant very different to how you have intepreted it.
so lets see a vatican dissection of the soul…
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Mboo
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The soul has several parts, it is the role of theologians to speak about it, not of the magisterium. The magisterium does not legislate on all theological details. If St Thomas bores you, you can read any theologian who presents the human soul
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Shakuhachi
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If he was a mentally healthy human being, of course he laughed. It is intrinsic to our nature. And he must have been very playful, “Let the children come to me.”
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Roseeurekacross
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great, show me a theologian that is discussing the soul and dissecting its parts. I can think of the great saint who discusses the inner chambers of the soul, but that is about getting closer to God, to hearing God.The soul has several parts, it is the role of theologians to speak about it
so again, show me where a theologian validates the sensitive side of the soul.
because surely the entire soul is sensitive to God and the call and love of God
or you can discuss how seriousness is a virtue of holy people and where the Vatican declares this.
happy cake day @shakuhachi
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Mboo
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I told you about St. Thomas Aquinas, he spoke about it at length, in several chapters of theological sumsgreat, show me a theologian that is discussing the soul and dissecting its parts
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angel12
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St. Philip Neri, among others, would disagree with you.
Tis_Bearself
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I am sure Jesus laughed. It’s doubtful that he got through his whole babyhood and childhood without ever smiling or expressing joy or excitement like a baby does when it sees its mom, or a child does when it has a treat or a toy or a fun outing with its parent. And there’s no reason to think he wasn’t charming and sometimes smiling and laughing as an adult. People wouldn’t have flocked to him if he was frowning all the time.
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Lee1
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I’ve mentioned elsewhere that one day in prayer I suddenly had a disconnected thought “one of us has to change.” It made me laugh so much.
Is it possible that God who made all things did not give us the ability to laugh. That’s funny. Laughter is like a valve on a pressure cooker, so valuable to our health that I have no doubt it is a grace from our loving Father.
As long as we remember to be respectful and reverent and use this device appropriately then surely it can only be another tool at our disposal.
Is it possible that God who made all things did not give us the ability to laugh. That’s funny. Laughter is like a valve on a pressure cooker, so valuable to our health that I have no doubt it is a grace from our loving Father.
As long as we remember to be respectful and reverent and use this device appropriately then surely it can only be another tool at our disposal.
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