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I should elaborate a little- does it mean that ‘enlightened’ or ‘saved’ aliens don’t exist.
Like many I have often considered the incomprehensible vastness of the universe and whether extra-terrestrial life exists.
My personal conclusion is that that probably don’t, but I do have a reservation in stating this, as it seems to be attached to a level of arrogance.
My logic is that space travel is impossible beyond our closest neighbours. Therefore, we are meant to exist surrounded by seemingly infinite space, which itself points to God.
Leaving this argument aside and coming to the titled topic- if God created intelligent life on other planets, it seems logical that this life either fell into sin, too, or God was able to overcome this with a ‘future creation’. However, the presence of the fallen angels, in particular Satan, would suggest that they would be just as susceptible if his creations were given free will.
We see Christ as the second person of the trinity, but also one with the Father, having always existed, but incarnate from year 0. We note that there was a great falling away of angels from God, where around 1/3 departed from the Father. I believe this is after Creation, since the idea is that the angels could not subscribe to God’s plan to create mankind, whom he would elevate above the angels in heaven- particularly the Blessed Mother.
It seems to fall, then, that any creatures created on other planets prior to our own would be susceptible to fall after the fall of Lucifer, or any created after our own would already be compromised.
We would have to presume that God, in His infinite goodness, would seek reconciliation with his extra-terrestrial fallen creatures. However, in our concept of God, it seems to preclude Him becoming a physical person, as with Jesus. Why- because our concept of the trinity restricts God into these three persons.
Our God could have become many hundreds of persons in other places in the universe. We would have to argue that the trinity here on earth also applies to other planets. Each has the trinity, but the visible person of the physical God (the second person) would be different depending on the species on that planet.
However, it comes down to the Passion. Would God endure countless sacrifices of his own life, possibly with even more horrific pain on other planets, to win over another planet? I suppose it comes down to love. An all-loving God should want to save all his peoples.
But there seem to be two points here.
First, God punished the earth and its people for turning away, on many occasions. After the flood and periods of desolation, He chose Israel to begin a reconciliation with mankind. This implies our God is not chasing us to love Him. He waits. He wants genuine love. Therefore he doesn’t perhaps crave the love of all of His creations all around the universe to the point he would readily go to each and every planet, winning over His peoples and eventually giving up His life.
Second, if we were someday to understand that there is extra-terrestrial ‘saved’ life, and that it was saved in the same way, in our human hearts would this not degrade the one-time sacrifice on the cross? I.e. if we knew this event had be undertaken time-and-again throughout the universe and beyond. The one-time suffering would almost become ‘routine’.
Although this is still the greatest sacrifice God can possibly offer- to die at the hands of His people, is it akin to a man who takes a bullet for his wife- the same man who previously pushed a stranger out of the way of a speeding car? Whilst the wife sees this as an act of great love, it is diminished since it was offered before, to a ‘lesser’ person. Let’s face it, looking at our own creation and existence, we would see outsiders as ‘lesser’ or of less favour with God, after thousands of years of belief in our own God-given creation.
This has wandered a little as part of my own thought processes- sorry if it’s a little waffly! But my conclusion seems to be that this sacrifice by God, on the cross, seems to suggest that we alone are God’s creation.
I really welcome your thoughts and discussion!
Like many I have often considered the incomprehensible vastness of the universe and whether extra-terrestrial life exists.
My personal conclusion is that that probably don’t, but I do have a reservation in stating this, as it seems to be attached to a level of arrogance.
My logic is that space travel is impossible beyond our closest neighbours. Therefore, we are meant to exist surrounded by seemingly infinite space, which itself points to God.
Leaving this argument aside and coming to the titled topic- if God created intelligent life on other planets, it seems logical that this life either fell into sin, too, or God was able to overcome this with a ‘future creation’. However, the presence of the fallen angels, in particular Satan, would suggest that they would be just as susceptible if his creations were given free will.
We see Christ as the second person of the trinity, but also one with the Father, having always existed, but incarnate from year 0. We note that there was a great falling away of angels from God, where around 1/3 departed from the Father. I believe this is after Creation, since the idea is that the angels could not subscribe to God’s plan to create mankind, whom he would elevate above the angels in heaven- particularly the Blessed Mother.
It seems to fall, then, that any creatures created on other planets prior to our own would be susceptible to fall after the fall of Lucifer, or any created after our own would already be compromised.
We would have to presume that God, in His infinite goodness, would seek reconciliation with his extra-terrestrial fallen creatures. However, in our concept of God, it seems to preclude Him becoming a physical person, as with Jesus. Why- because our concept of the trinity restricts God into these three persons.
Our God could have become many hundreds of persons in other places in the universe. We would have to argue that the trinity here on earth also applies to other planets. Each has the trinity, but the visible person of the physical God (the second person) would be different depending on the species on that planet.
However, it comes down to the Passion. Would God endure countless sacrifices of his own life, possibly with even more horrific pain on other planets, to win over another planet? I suppose it comes down to love. An all-loving God should want to save all his peoples.
But there seem to be two points here.
First, God punished the earth and its people for turning away, on many occasions. After the flood and periods of desolation, He chose Israel to begin a reconciliation with mankind. This implies our God is not chasing us to love Him. He waits. He wants genuine love. Therefore he doesn’t perhaps crave the love of all of His creations all around the universe to the point he would readily go to each and every planet, winning over His peoples and eventually giving up His life.
Second, if we were someday to understand that there is extra-terrestrial ‘saved’ life, and that it was saved in the same way, in our human hearts would this not degrade the one-time sacrifice on the cross? I.e. if we knew this event had be undertaken time-and-again throughout the universe and beyond. The one-time suffering would almost become ‘routine’.
Although this is still the greatest sacrifice God can possibly offer- to die at the hands of His people, is it akin to a man who takes a bullet for his wife- the same man who previously pushed a stranger out of the way of a speeding car? Whilst the wife sees this as an act of great love, it is diminished since it was offered before, to a ‘lesser’ person. Let’s face it, looking at our own creation and existence, we would see outsiders as ‘lesser’ or of less favour with God, after thousands of years of belief in our own God-given creation.
This has wandered a little as part of my own thought processes- sorry if it’s a little waffly! But my conclusion seems to be that this sacrifice by God, on the cross, seems to suggest that we alone are God’s creation.
I really welcome your thoughts and discussion!
