Does Jesus refer to Tradition not found in the O.T.?

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I've done searches in the forums and combed through a few pages of topics in this section of the forum, but have not found what I am looking for.

I'm looking for examples where Jesus referred to things that were not actually penned in the old testament.
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michel
 
It depends on who’s Old Testament - Catholic or Protestant.

In John’s Gospel, Jesus is at the Festival of Lights, which celebrated the Cleansing of the Temple. This was a festival that was initiated when Judas Maccabeus cleaned the Greek idols out of the Temple.
 
There seems to be another glaring example, but I can’t remember it at the time. I’ll see if I can find it.
 
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I’ve done searches in the forums and combed through a few pages of topics in this section of the forum, but have not found what I am looking for.

I’m looking for examples where Jesus referred to things that were not actually penned in the old testament.
Please help.

Thank you!

michel
Though there are no quotes, the New Testament does make numerous allusions to the deuterocanonical books. For one strong example, examine Hebrews 11:35.

Heb 11:35 said:
“Women received their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release that they might rise again to a better life.”

Nowhere in the Protestant Old Testament can this story be found. One must look to a Catholic Bible to read the story in 2 Maccabees 7.
 
Here are some examples of oral tradition in the New Testament. In summary (emphases mine):

Scripture says that Joseph and Mary returned to Nazareth after their sojourn in Egypt, “that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled, ‘He shall be called a Nazarene.’” (Matt. 2:23).

Just before launching into a blistering denunciation of the scribes and Pharisees, Jesus delivers this command to the crowds: “The scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice” (Matt. 23:2-3).

“All drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ” (1 Cor. 10:4).

In his first epistle Peter tells of Christ’s journey to the netherworld during which “he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah” (1 Pet. 3:19). … Note the close link to Noah and Geneses 6. Compare too Jude 6, which says that “the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom until the judgment of the great day” …Additional background is found in the extra-biblical book of 1 Enoch. … The parallel to Peter’s epistle is too close to dismiss.

Jude relates an altercation between Michael and Satan: "When the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him, but said, ‘The Lord rebuke you.’ " (Jude 9). … As H. Willmering says in , “This incident is not mentioned in Scripture, but may have been a Jewish oral tradition, which is well known to the readers of this epistle.”

There are a number of other examples in the New Testament in which the writer likely draws on oral tradition, but not so clearly in support of any doctrine. For instance, Paul dips into rabbinic tradition to supply the names, Jannes and Jambres, of the magicians who opposed Moses in Pharoah’s court (2 Tim. 3:8). In the Old Testament, these individuals are anonymous (Ex. 7:8ff.). James tells us that because of Elijah’s prayer there was no rain in Israel for three years (Jas. 5:17), but the Old Testament account of Elijah’s altercation with King Ahab says nothing of him praying (1 Kgs. 17).
 
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I've done searches in the forums and combed through a few pages of topics in this section of the forum, but have not found what I am looking for.

I'm looking for examples where Jesus referred to things that were not actually penned in the old testament.
Please help.

Thank you!
michel
Luke 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul,
and with all thy strength,
and with all thy mind;

Deut 6:5
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God
with all thine heart
and with all thy soul
and with all thy might

I figure God can add ‘with all thy mind’ or whatever else he wants to Deut 6:5
 
This prophecy is not actually found in the Old Testament. He is refering to words similar to Nazareth that are in OT prophecy

He went and dwelt in a town called Nazareth, so that what had been spoken through the prophets might be fulfilled, “He shall be called a Nazorean.” (Mat 2:23)

Jesus is relying on the oral tradition to acknowledge Moses’ seat of authority (which passed from Moses to Joshua to the Sanhedrin). This is not recorded in the OT.

Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. (Mt 23:1-2)
 
Ah yes, Matthew 23 is what I was looking for.

23 ****** "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier things of the law: judgment and mercy and fidelity. (But) these you should have done, without neglecting the others.
 
Matthew 23****
Seven Woes
1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
Pretty sure in the OT it never points to succession its an oral tradition.
 
Great stuff all of you!!

Thank you so very much.
You are helping to keep a Catholic in the faith and possible bring a Presbeterian into it.
… and possibly two other ex-Catholics back.

PRAY!

michel
 
Jesus cited the Jewish oral tradition that Zechariah perished between the altar and the sanctuary (Luke 11:51).

The author of the epistle to the Hebrews cited the Jewish oral tradition that the prophet Isaiah was sawn in half (Heb 11:27).

Jude cited the Jewish oral tradition that the archangel contended with the devil for the body of Moses (Jude 1:9).

None of these events are mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures, yet Jesus and His Apostles accepted their factuality because of Jewish oral tradition.
 
Jesus cited the Jewish oral tradition that Zechariah perished between the altar and the sanctuary (Luke 11:51).

The author of the epistle to the Hebrews cited the Jewish oral tradition that the prophet Isaiah was sawn in half (Heb 11:27).

Jude cited the Jewish oral tradition that the archangel contended with the devil for the body of Moses (Jude 1:9).

None of these events are mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures, yet Jesus and His Apostles accepted their factuality because of Jewish oral tradition.
Very good and solid evidence! 👍
 
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