Does Komen Foundation Support Planned Parenthood?

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Hello Everyone,

With October being Breast Cancer Awareness Month, we see many charities trying to raise money for this worthy cause. I have heard rumors that the Susan Komen Foundation, one of the most well-publicized of these organizations, gives money to Planned Parenthood (supposedly earmarked for mamograms, but would result in freeing up other money for abortion) Can anyone verify this either way. I have found a few old references to this, but I am wondering what the current situation is. If this is true, we Catholics should spread the word. I’m sure there are other, worthy orginizations that don’t traffic in the culture of death.

Thank you very much,
Sharen
 
gives money to Planned Parenthood (supposedly earmarked for mamograms, but would result in freeing up other money for abortion)
Well, that is the theory. But I think it is a bit of a stretch of logic.

I don’t know of any evidence to support the idea that those chapters were offering mammograms before the Komen funding. Which is to say, there is no evidence that Planned Parenthood funds were being used on mammograms, and then the Komen contract allowed those PP funds to be used for other purposes.
 
Hello Everyone,

With October being Breast Cancer Awareness Month, we see many charities trying to raise money for this worthy cause. I have heard rumors that the Susan Komen Foundation, one of the most well-publicized of these organizations, gives money to Planned Parenthood (supposedly earmarked for mamograms, but would result in freeing up other money for abortion) Can anyone verify this either way. I have found a few old references to this, but I am wondering what the current situation is. If this is true, we Catholics should spread the word. I’m sure there are other, worthy orginizations that don’t traffic in the culture of death.

Thank you very much,
Sharen
From the Susan J Komen foundation:

img163.imageshack.us/img163/7884/komenpp.jpg

Here’s the situation: every dollar that PP receives to perform non-abortion services frees up a dollar from their direct donors with which they can provide an abortion. In addition, any dollars from third parties they can spend doing something other than providing abortions gives them a credibility they don’t deserve.

It doesn’t matter whether this funding comes from Komen for breast cancer screening, from a public school district to fund sex education classes, from USAID to fund international “reproductive health” ((barf)) efforts, and so on. Every dollar that is donated for non-abortion services frees up a dollar that is donated without restriction to perform abortions.

And by the way, providing funding for breast cancer screening in inner city PP clinics is what they are admitting to directly. From what you can read on other sites, there appears to be a whole lot more funding going to PP than this leads one to believe. Keep in mind that funding may be direct or may go through third party foundations (sort of like nonprofit money laundering)

More:
Komen, Planned Parenthood and Their Catholic Apologists
Diocese of Little Rock discourages support for ‘Susan G.Komen for the Cure’

And there is plenty more out there…
 
That letter makes some good points. I don’t think you should stop funding this group because they donate to planned parenthood.
For faithful Catholics, that is exactly the reason not to support them. PP is an evil enterprise engaged in the deaths (and promotion of deaths) of countless unborn people. Supporting organizations that support PP is supporting PP and makes one complicit in their acts.

There are many other excellent charities that should be supported.
 
Hello Everyone,

With October being Breast Cancer Awareness Month, we see many charities trying to raise money for this worthy cause. I have heard rumors that the Susan Komen Foundation, one of the most well-publicized of these organizations, gives money to Planned Parenthood (supposedly earmarked for mamograms, but would result in freeing up other money for abortion) Can anyone verify this either way. I have found a few old references to this, but I am wondering what the current situation is. If this is true, we Catholics should spread the word. I’m sure there are other, worthy orginizations that don’t traffic in the culture of death.

Thank you very much,
Sharen
Yes, Susan G. Komen Foundation does support Planned Parenthood. I know there are some breast cancer foundations that do not, but SGK does.
 
Furthermore, by supporting Planned Parenthood, they are not stopping breast cancer, but spreading it. While pro-aborts like to claim that there is no connection between breast cancer and abortion or birth control, the fact of the matter is that the studies which have shown that there is no link have errors in them, where the studies which prove the link are less errant. Some say that there is not enough information to back up these claims, that enough studies have not been done. However, there are many studies that have been done, and to claim that the information from all of those studies are not sufficient evidence is ignoring what is blatantly obvious.

abortionbreastcancer.com/ABC_Research/index.htm
abortionbreastcancer.com/
bcpinstitute.org/
polycarp.org/
togetherforlife.ca/cancer/
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1288955/Abortion-triple-risk-breast-cancer.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0sSTYpmUV
lifeissues.net/writers/kah/kah_07chap2overview1.html
 
For faithful Catholics, that is exactly the reason not to support them. PP is an evil enterprise engaged in the deaths (and promotion of deaths) of countless unborn people. Supporting organizations that support PP is supporting PP and makes one complicit in their acts.

There are many other excellent charities that should be supported.
Right on! As Father Groeschel stated recently on Sunday Night Live, the devil is deceiving many people throughout the world today.
 
I don’t want to have anything to do with Planned Parenthood. They make my blood run ice cold.
 
Furthermore, by supporting Planned Parenthood, they are not stopping breast cancer, but spreading it. While pro-aborts like to claim that there is no connection between breast cancer and abortion or birth control, the fact of the matter is that the studies which have shown that there is no link have errors in them, where the studies which prove the link are less errant. Some say that there is not enough information to back up these claims, that enough studies have not been done. However, there are many studies that have been done, and to claim that the information from all of those studies are not sufficient evidence is ignoring what is blatantly obvious.

abortionbreastcancer.com/ABC_Research/index.htm
abortionbreastcancer.com/
bcpinstitute.org/
polycarp.org/
togetherforlife.ca/cancer/
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1288955/Abortion-triple-risk-breast-cancer.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0sSTYpmUV
lifeissues.net/writers/kah/kah_07chap2overview1.html
Denying this link between abortion and breast cancer is disturbing. Are they fighting breast cancer or not?
 
The link is hardly proven.
Yes, I didn’t want to take this thread off-topic, but the pro-life groups which claim an abortion-breast cancer connection tend to exaggerate or distort the research findings to make claims which aren’t supported by the studies they cite.

In the case of Komen and Planned Parenthood, the argument that Komen is freeing up PP funds is speculative, since it hasn’t been shown that the PP chapters were spending their own money on mammograms before the Komen contracts were approved. A more solid argument would be that the Komen contracts enhance the prestige and reach of PP. They enhance PP’s image by allowing them to provide a “friendly” health service. And they increase PP’s reach by bringing women to their clinics who might not otherwise visit.
 
From the Susan J Komen foundation:

img163.imageshack.us/img163/7884/komenpp.jpg

Here’s the situation: every dollar that PP receives to perform non-abortion services frees up a dollar from their direct donors with which they can provide an abortion. In addition, any dollars from third parties they can spend doing something other than providing abortions gives them a credibility they don’t deserve.

It doesn’t matter whether this funding comes from Komen for breast cancer screening, from a public school district to fund sex education classes, from USAID to fund international “reproductive health” ((barf)) efforts, and so on. Every dollar that is donated for non-abortion services frees up a dollar that is donated without restriction to perform abortions.

And by the way, providing funding for breast cancer screening in inner city PP clinics is what they are admitting to directly. From what you can read on other sites, there appears to be a whole lot more funding going to PP than this leads one to believe. Keep in mind that funding may be direct or may go through third party foundations (sort of like nonprofit money laundering)

More:
Komen, Planned Parenthood and Their Catholic Apologists
Diocese of Little Rock discourages support for ‘Susan G.Komen for the Cure’

And there is plenty more out there…
This is paranoia. "Funding MAY BE direct, or MAY GO through third party foundations … " How, exactly, is a dollar “freed up without restriction to perform abortions”? I want a step-by-step run-through of this process. I want to see money changing hands. I want a paper trail. If you can’t provide that, with back up (and film at eleven), pack it in.

tammy57
 
This is paranoia. "Funding MAY BE direct, or MAY GO through third party foundations … " How, exactly, is a dollar “freed up without restriction to perform abortions”? I want a step-by-step run-through of this process. I want to see money changing hands. I want a paper trail. If you can’t provide that, with back up (and film at eleven), pack it in.

tammy57
Paranoia? Sorry to inform you, but this happens all the time. People give money to a foundation with lofty stated goals. That foundation bundles the donations and makes sizable donations to individual charities or to other foundations who, in turn, distribute to individual charities. Significant examples include the Pew Charitable Trusts, the Tides Foundation, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, and so on.

For example, in 2007, the Gates Foundation gave Planned Parenthood over $22 million in unrestricted grants. In 2006, it was a little over $11 million.

That money can basically be used however Planned Parenthood chooses to use it.

This GAO report says that the Federal government provided over $155 million in FY96 to Planned Parenthood. As it stands, Federal law prohibits PP from directly using that money to provide abortions. But they can use that money to provide anything else: ob/gyn checkups, breast cancer screenings, sex education, contraception, and so on and so forth.

As I’m sure you know, PP facilities not only consist of killing rooms, but they also have general exam rooms, mammography equipment, and so on. That government money can be used to pay for everything but a room that is solely dedicated as a baby killing room.

The doctors who work there do not solely perform abortions. Therefore, the money that is used to pay their salaries can come from the government (except the actual period of time when they are doing an abortion). Same with the nurses, same with the administrative staff.

So let us say that it cost $1,000,000 to build a PP in a poor neighborhood in Dallas. The equipment used to perform the abortion may cost $100k. That would come from the Gates Foundation grant. The remaining $900k could come from the government grant. If the government grant wasn’t there, all $1,000,000 would have to come from the Gates Foundation.

The abortionist (a licensed OBGYN, hopefully) gets paid $100 an hour, again, hypothetically. Let us then say he performs 8 abortions a day and the actual time he is in the room doing the abortion is 10 minutes (the prep work can be done by a lower paid staff member). So that is 80 minutes of time during the day ($133 per day) that he charges to money that comes from the Gates foundation. The remainder of the hours ($667) he charges to money that comes from the government. If the government money wasn’t there, he’d have to charge all 480 minutes of time during his work day to the Gates Foundation money and it would dry up a whole lot faster.

The same thing applies to the Komen money, but on a far smaller scale.

The point is that less controversial procedures and services can be paid using the restricted money, such as that provided from the government, Komen, and other sources, reserving the unrestricted money from places like the Gates Foundation for the actual direct costs of providing abortion.

I realize that this will not be good enough for you. I realize that you will need to have a notarized report from an independent auditing agency tracking exact charge codes and the flows of each individual serialized dollar. But, then again, that likewise would probably not be good enough for you either.

One other thought: if you have ever worked in a line of work where you had to charge your labor hours to different charge codes corresponding to different clients’ accounts, you should be able to have an intuitive understanding of the above.
 
A 2009 study linking abortion & oral birth control to an increase in breast cancer.
Perhaps it would be best to start a new thread, as this is unrelated to the topic. The article you posted is full of misinformation.
 
Perhaps it would be best to start a new thread, as this is unrelated to the topic. The article you posted is full of misinformation.
It relates to Susan G. Komen for the Cure, on how, if they are against breast cancer, might take note of certain studies to inform women. And please enlighten me on the misinformation within the article.
 
“I realize that this will not be good enough for you. I realize that you will need to have a notarized report from an independent auditing agency tracking exact charge codes and the flows of each individual serialized dollar. But, then again, that likewise would probably not be good enough for you either.” ~ markomalley

No, it’s not good enough. When people make inflammatory statements about how donations are spent and cannot provide the actual numbers to verify the how, when, where, who and why a wrong has been committed, then the accusation is worthless.

Let’s all just sit on our money and wait till one of our beloved mothers or sisters or daughters is diagnosed with breast cancer. Then maybe we can take a box of cash to the hospitals where they’re being treated and let them fondle the bills. Oh, and we can’t possibly allow them to undergo chemo or radiation - those things are killers, you know.

tammy57
 
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