Does Komen Foundation Support Planned Parenthood?

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Yeah, free…and worthless when we can’t get a doctor to treat us because a lot of them have left the profession. Anyway it’s never free, the producers always get the bill. I know you were being sarcastic.

See, that previous response is from a Democrat socialist. I am on the verge of leaving the Church unless our leaders stand up and do something about this connection to one political party, the one that supports abortion on demand and accessible to everyone.
Can you explain how you feel the Church is connected to one political party? And why would you leave your faith, don’t you believe in the true presense in the Eucharist no matter what is going on in our political system?
 
“I realize that this will not be good enough for you. I realize that you will need to have a notarized report from an independent auditing agency tracking exact charge codes and the flows of each individual serialized dollar. But, then again, that likewise would probably not be good enough for you either.” ~ markomalley

No, it’s not good enough.
Who cares what is good enough to please every individual? I have never supported, and will not support SGK because of their funds going to PP for any reason. I am not the only one. Yet for some reason instead of abandoning this diversion of funds, SGK has clung to it. So they are not a legitmate source I believe I morally can contribute to. Who is the villian? Am I in the wrong for giving elsewhere, or is the Komen foundation in the wrong for sticking to this diversion of funds despite the what it cost them in support?
 
Can you explain how you feel the Church is connected to one political party? And why would you leave your faith, don’t you believe in the true presense in the Eucharist no matter what is going on in our political system?
I totally believe in the real presence. I am Catholic, my 2 sons are Catholic, hubby is a lapsed but attending Catholic. I am actually looking for a parish priest who will frankly and clearly explain to his parishioners that they MUST consider the issue of life as the MOST IMPORTANT factor to judge when going to the voting booth. That would mean that Catholics might still consider themselves to be Democrats, but they could not vote for most Democrats (I would say ALL Democrats) because that party’s platform includes the right to murder your baby). I was heartbroken to discover that Catholics voted for Barak Obama, who not only happily supports abortion, but who would deny even end-of-life care to a baby born alive during an abortion, even IF that baby were going to ultimately die anyway. This is a wicked man, a man opposed to the Catholic Church’s stance on the value of life from conception to natural death, and YET…I believe mainly because of a dearth of courageous leadership, 53% of Catholics justified their vote for him somehow.

I have been praying and soul-searching about this problem. No one says a WORD in my church about abortion unless it’s one homily in January, when we all shake our heads and feel bad for one Mass about Roe v. Wade. Then life goes on, while the killing goes on and on and on. WHY isn’t my Church fixing this issue?? I am sorry to say that I believe it is all about not angering large Democrat contributors. Many Catholic Democrats see only the past support of unions, and work with the poor, and think that the current Dem. party is the party of JFK. Nothing could be further from the truth, yet here we are.

I came here to find out if there are fundamentalist Catholics who want the Church to return to its traditional form, maybe pre-Vatican II (I don’t know enough about that yet) but at the very least, to educate Catholics about the issues when they go to vote.

I am sickened that someone as evil and vile as Nancy Pelosi not only is allowed to step foot inside a church, but that she is given the Holy Eucharist as if she weren’t supporting the murder of millions of babies!!! How can this be?? Why hasn’t she been excommunicated already?

I am not seeing any courage or leadership from the top down on this critical issues. Can we expect God to grant us favor when we are slaughtering his babies?
 
I totally believe in the real presence. I am Catholic, my 2 sons are Catholic, hubby is a lapsed but attending Catholic. I am actually looking for a parish priest who will frankly and clearly explain to his parishioners that they MUST consider the issue of life as the MOST IMPORTANT factor to judge when going to the voting booth. That would mean that Catholics might still consider themselves to be Democrats, but they could not vote for most Democrats (I would say ALL Democrats) because that party’s platform includes the right to murder your baby). I was heartbroken to discover that Catholics voted for Barak Obama, who not only happily supports abortion, but who would deny even end-of-life care to a baby born alive during an abortion, even IF that baby were going to ultimately die anyway. This is a wicked man, a man opposed to the Catholic Church’s stance on the value of life from conception to natural death, and YET…I believe mainly because of a dearth of courageous leadership, 53% of Catholics justified their vote for him somehow.

I have been praying and soul-searching about this problem. No one says a WORD in my church about abortion unless it’s one homily in January, when we all shake our heads and feel bad for one Mass about Roe v. Wade. Then life goes on, while the killing goes on and on and on. WHY isn’t my Church fixing this issue?? I am sorry to say that I believe it is all about not angering large Democrat contributors. Many Catholic Democrats see only the past support of unions, and work with the poor, and think that the current Dem. party is the party of JFK. Nothing could be further from the truth, yet here we are.

I came here to find out if there are fundamentalist Catholics who want the Church to return to its traditional form, maybe pre-Vatican II (I don’t know enough about that yet) but at the very least, to educate Catholics about the issues when they go to vote.

I am sickened that someone as evil and vile as Nancy Pelosi not only is allowed to step foot inside a church, but that she is given the Holy Eucharist as if she weren’t supporting the murder of millions of babies!!! How can this be?? Why hasn’t she been excommunicated already?

I am not seeing any courage or leadership from the top down on this critical issues. Can we expect God to grant us favor when we are slaughtering his babies?
Maybe its what you’re seeing in your area? Come stay with me, my priest is not afraid to speak about abortion. We have two very active groups in my area for pro-life, People Concerned for the Unborn Child and National Right to Life. Voting pro-life is VERY important within my community here in PA. I pay no attention to Nancy Pelosi and yes there are leaders within the Church that aren’t doing anything but there are just as many that are. My Bishop isn’t afraid to talk about the tough issues. We need to support our priests and bishops that are being true leaders in the Church.
 
Maybe its what you’re seeing in your area? Come stay with me, my priest is not afraid to speak about abortion. We have two very active groups in my area for pro-life, People Concerned for the Unborn Child and National Right to Life. Voting pro-life is VERY important within my community here in PA. I pay no attention to Nancy Pelosi and yes there are leaders within the Church that aren’t doing anything but there are just as many that are. My Bishop isn’t afraid to talk about the tough issues. We need to support our priests and bishops that are being true leaders in the Church.
I am so glad to hear that my particular diocese may in fact, be more of the problem. I was hoping that would be the case, because then I could hope to change things here, if the problem hadn’t metastasized throughout the entire Church. I am in a huge diocese and I’m sure the leadership is unwilling to deal with this on a continual basis. It would be so powerful if we had priests praying with us at Planned Parenthood. The Protestant ministers are down there more often that our own clergy! Shameful.

As far as Nancy Pelosi, she is the Speaker of the House and wields a great deal of power to affect ALL of our daily lives. She also states that she is Catholic, which means a lot of non-Catholics think it’s possible to be Catholic and pro-abortion. She and Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader, both profess to be Catholics yet both 100% support abortion. They are the illustration of a delusional Catholic Democrat, somehow justifying in their own minds that their party’s political platform of unlimited access to abortion does not conflict with their Church’s basic tenet of life from conception through natural death.

Even otherwise good Catholics can then point to these very powerful and visible Democrat leaders and say, “Well, if it’s OK with them, then I too, can carry on ignoring that part of the Democrat party’s platform and all will be well.”

All I want is for the Church to tell its members, IN NO WAY can you ever vote for a pro-abortion candidate, no matter what. It is the gravest sin to murder an innocent human being, not even fully formed, for no reason other than convenience, yet the Church says and does nothing about the people sitting in the pews who have voted these people into power. It seems to me that should be the first thing said in every homily every Sunday from now until Roe v. Wade is overturned.
 
I am actually looking for a parish priest who will frankly and clearly explain to his parishioners that they MUST consider the issue of life as the MOST IMPORTANT factor to judge when going to the voting booth.
Good for you. Chances are, you will be looking for parish priests who are younger. It seems like the younger ones are more orthodox than the middle-aged ones. A lot of the younger ones (ordained in the past 20 years) are very, very, very pro-life. If you want to see whether or not there are actual pro-life Catholics and clergy, I would suggest that you plan to come to DC for the March for Life, by the way. You will be very heartened.
I was heartbroken to discover that Catholics voted for Barak Obama…53% of Catholics justified their vote for him somehow.
How many Catholics do you know of who are Christmas/Easter Catholics?

When people are exit-polled upon leaving the polling place, there is no qualification process to determine if they are faithful Catholics or lapsed Catholics; if they are Catholics who are faithful to the Magesterium or Catholics who are dissenters. They may be asked how often they go to church, but that is a separate question and is not used to show the percentage of Catholics who support candidate “a” or candidate “b”. The percentage of weekly Mass going Catholics who supported Mr. Obama was significantly smaller than the percentage including Christmas/Easter Catholics.
Many Catholic Democrats see only the past support of unions, and work with the poor, and think that the current Dem. party is the party of JFK. Nothing could be further from the truth, yet here we are.
Believe it or not, there were several bishops who came out against Obamacare, not only because it would provide funding but because it violated the principle of subsidiarity, including Vasa, Naumann, Finn, Lori, Doran, Nienstedt, Nicklass, Aquila, Chaput, Tobin, Johnston, and Slattery.
I came here to find out if there are fundamentalist Catholics who want the Church to return to its traditional form, maybe pre-Vatican II (I don’t know enough about that yet) but at the very least, to educate Catholics about the issues when they go to vote.
As somebody who enjoys the extraordinary form of the Mass, I would hate to be called a “fundamentalist.” I would suggest that you find a different term, such as “orthodox” to describe the Catholics you seek.

But I have a question for you: are you educated? Your post indicates that you are motivated, but are you really educated on the Church’s teaching on life? If you are, perhaps you could consider starting up a pro-life group in your parish. You don’t have to advocate doing anything really controversial in the beginning…you could make up baskets for single women who made the decision for life rather than killing their unborn. Then when you get people sufficiently educated, you can work on getting them motivated to do more. And if you start up a recognized “group” in the parish, you can regularly post articles in the parish bulletin, hand out flyers before and after Mass, and so on. So you could help raise awareness in your parish.

You always have to remember, though, that we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Eph 6:12) So when you look at Obama, Pelosi, your squishy pastor, your squishy bishop. and so on, you’ve got to keep in mind that the one to be truly angry at is not the individuals, but the one who has tricked them into adopting their evil positions. That’s not to say that they should be given a pass…not hardly…but there is a far deeper issue involved here.

By the way, you may want to read the transcript of this speech given by Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, on the subject. You might want to keep it for reference when speaking to somebody from your parish. Some highlights:The lack of integrity in obeying the Magisterium is also seen in the hypocrisy of Catholics who claim to be practicing their faith but who refuse to apply the truth of the faith in their exercise of politics, medicine, business and the other human endeavors. These Catholics claim to hold “personally” to the truth of the faith, for example,regarding the inviolability of innocent and defenseless human life, while, in the political arena or in the practice of medicine, they cooperate in the attack on our unborn brothers and sisters, or on our brothers and sisters who have grown weak under the burden of years, of illness, or of special needs. Their disobedience pertains not tosome truth particular to the life of the Church, that is, not to some confessional matter, but to the truth of the divine natural law written on every human heart and, therefore, to be obeyed by all men.
and When a person has publicly espoused and cooperated in gravely sinful acts, leading many into confusion and error about fundamental questions of respect for human life and the integrity of marriage and the family, his repentance of such actions must also be public. The person in question bears a heavy responsibility for the grave scandal which he has caused. The responsibility is especially heavy for political leaders. The repair of such scandal begins with the public acknowledgment of his own error and the public declaration of his adherence to the moral law. The soul which recognizes the gravity of what he has done will, in fact, understand immediately the need to make public reparation.
(The transcript is 12 pages long, so obviously not something that can be posted here)
 
Thank you very much. I appreciate the time it took to respond so thoughtfully to my message.

I will do all that you suggested. I have been involved in the minimum pro-life effort that we’ve had in my church. I successfully got a group to participate in the last 40 Days for Life, but due to other commitments, couldn’t do the same this time (but I plan to in the spring). My Pastor is one of the middle-aged, “squishy” priests that you mentioned. He is extremely intelligent, but shies away from anything that he feels might further wound parishioners who have had abortions, at least that is one of the excuses he uses. And the coordinator of our diocese Respect Life committee is also not helpful, for whatever reasons. She doesn’t help promote 40 Days at all or encourage those of us who participate. I always keep that passage of Scripture in front of me! I know someone who has worked in the pro-life field for over 20 years and I think she is a saint, and if she were to grow bitter against individuals I know she couldn’t maintain her perspective, so I try to learn from her.

I know I need to go to a different church. I want to be a part of groups that share my commitment, I am not ready at this time in my life to fight the structures in place all on my own. There was a time when I would have eagerly taken on that responsibility. But I need others more than ever now, especially since my husband is not involved in this ministry at all and really doesn’t want to even hear about it. It’s unpleasant and sometimes I feel discouraged, but he can’t support me, so I do need others. Others who, like yourself, are smarter than I am about all the Church’s teachings (I was a lapsed Catholic for many years) and can set me right when I go down the wrong path or make assumptions. I’ve lived long enough to know that I know almost nothing, period! 🙂

Yes, the Christmas and Easter Catholics…marginal Catholics is what I call them. Good points on the exit polling. I’m not even sure that more education on the Church’s teachings would help this group…They just may not care. They may want to have a religion, but not a faith. And yes, the term “fundamentalist” may be muddying the waters too much, but I didn’t know another way to put it. “Orthodox” to me harkens back to the Greek branch - does that term mean what I meant by fundamentalist? I just found out about the “SSPX” situation - in the 20 years I’ve been back I have never heard of this! I did see a bumper sticker a couple of months ago that read, “Vatican II - Weapon of Mass Destruction” which amazed and puzzled me. Of course I have heard of the forces that were at work in society and the Church at the time (I was too young at the time to understand it all) but I had never realized that there was a continuing society within the faith that has basically ignored Vatican II, if I understand it right.

Well, you have given me a lot of things to digest and think about, and pray about. Thank you again for taking the time to respond to my post!

In Christ’s love,
Juliane
 
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