Does Mass at an SSPX chapel satisfy Sunday obligation?

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AllSeasons said:
I think it’s important to make the distinction that the Society is not sedevacantist like CMRI. They do recognize the authority of the Pope; while it’s true the SSPX does not like JPII for obvious reasons, they do like Benedict, even though reconciliation was not achieved. My understanding is that they do not like Francis, as he’s viewed as a Modernist. That said, they still recognize the popes since Vatican II, even though they have strong objections against Vatican II, the NO Mass, and Modernism.
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Don’t know which position is worse – the sedes – who say there is no valid Pope since VII – and even prior to that. Or the SSPX – who say there is a valid Pope – but brush him off.
 
Walking_Home said:
Don’t know which position is worse – the sedes – who say there is no valid Pope since VII – and even prior to that. Or the SSPX – who say there is a valid Pope – but brush him off.
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I would highly disagree with that.
 
AllSeasons said:
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Walking_Home:
Don’t know which position is worse – the sedes – who say there is no valid Pope since VII – and even prior to that. Or the SSPX – who say there is a valid Pope – but brush him off.
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I would highly disagree with that.
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You are entitled to your disagreement – but really – talk about recognizing the validity and authority of the Pope – but will have nothing to do with the Pope and the Church. Think to much kool-aide has been drunk – for people to not see through that.
 
Walking_Home said:
You are entitled to your disagreement – but really – talk about recognizing the validity and authority of the Pope – but will have nothing to do with the Pope and the Church. Think to much kool-aide has been drunk – for people to not see through that.
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This is interesting to hear this. How will they have nothing to do with the Pope and the Church?
 
VanSensei said:
I’ve met many SSPX Catholics, mostly through other forums, and so far, the major thing they disagree with the Novus Ordo Catholics on is the Second Vatican Council. Simply put, they don’t like Vatican II, which I would say is not schismatic because there is no dogmatic weight to it.
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““Council. Simply put, they don’t like Vatican II, which I would say is not schismatic
because there is no dogmatic weight to it.””

Are you then intending to dismiss the Council which was convened by the Authority of the Papacy; thus, you side with the SSPX. If so, then you are no nolonger in communion with the Roman Catholic Church. IMHO: might want to consult a Priest before you attend Mass and/or receive any other sacraments.
 
Walking_Home said:
You are entitled to your disagreement – but really – talk about recognizing the validity and authority of the Pope – but will have nothing to do with the Pope and the Church. Think to much kool-aide has been drunk – for people to not see through that.
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As far as I understand, SSPX priests - and bishops - are Catholic, albeit suspended, so I don’t agree with the statement that they “will have nothing to do with the Pope and the Church.”
 
AllSeasons said:
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You are entitled to your disagreement – but really – talk about recognizing the validity and authority of the Pope – but will have nothing to do with the Pope and the Church. Think to much kool-aide has been drunk – for people to not see through that.
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Calling themselves Catholic – yet refuse to return to full communion with the Pope and the Church. Again – takes drinking the kool-aide to swallow that.
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Cardinal Arinze has repeatedly stated that it does fulfill the obligation, provided one is not attending there out of agreement with the SSPX about Rome.
 
VanSensei said:
I’ve met many SSPX Catholics, mostly through other forums, and so far, the major thing they disagree with the Novus Ordo Catholics on is the Second Vatican Council. Simply put, they don’t like Vatican II, which I would say is not schismatic because there is no dogmatic weight to it.
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Says who? The Second Vatican Council is the twenty-first Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church and it carries all the weight that Trent, Nicaea and Chalcedon do.

It is pure heresy to reject an ecumenical council. This is what the Holy Father told the SSPX during reconciliation talks. Either take it or leave it. There is no negotiation about what they can pick and choose. The council is there, it is done, it is in the history books. It is ours, whatever blemishes it may have. Accept it and join the Church, reject it and you will be outside the Church.
 
Elizium23 said:
Says who? The Second Vatican Council is the twenty-first Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church and it carries all the weight that Trent, Nicaea and Chalcedon do.

It is pure heresy to reject an ecumenical council. This is what the Holy Father told the SSPX during reconciliation talks. Either take it or leave it. There is no negotiation about what they can pick and choose. The council is there, it is done, it is in the history books. It is ours, whatever blemishes it may have. Accept it and join the Church, reject it and you will be outside the Church.
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I’ve been doing a lot of studying since reading the posts on here. I found this quite interesting from our Pope Emeritus when he was head of the CDF:

“The Second Vatican Council has not been treated as a part of the entire living Tradition of the Church, but as an end of Tradition, a new start from zero. The truth is that this particular council defined no dogma at all, and deliberately chose to remain on a modest level, as a merely pastoral council; and yet many treat it as though it had made itself into a sort of superdogma which takes away the importance of all the rest.”

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

Would it still be heresy to reject a merely pastoral council.
 
Of course it satisfies Sunday obligations. Valid Sacraments.

Some of the most solid traditional Priests I’ve met were SSPX. Our priest when I was growing up was SSPX and a missionary from Africa. He lived and breathed the Mass.

If a Sacrament is doubtful or dubious, we are required as Catholics to NOT partake in it, as it would be a grave sin.

Since the Sacraments are in the correct form and intent, under validly ordained priests, they are legitimate and worth driving 10 miles to attend.
 
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