I am glad you don’t take it that we are literally buried in the earth when we are baptized.
Yes, it is clear the latter-day-saint movement was an invention and not a restoration.
Yes. I am presenting what is most logical for the situation. (I am providing circumstantial evidence not proof).
Says who? Do you want guess and conjecture?
Your circumstantial evidence has been proven wrong by actual ancient writings to the contrary. History and science prove many Mormon claims to be wrong.
Logic would not ignore facts.
I have just been discussing what it says about baptism by immersion in my new NAB Bible. Can you be more specific on how my circumstantial evidence has been proven wrong? We will leave the whole Mormon claims thing to another tread.
Paul is a continuing a discourse on sin and grace, that begins in chapter 5 and continues past verse 4 of chapter 6.I am glad you don’t take it that we are literally buried in the earth when we are baptized.
But when Paul said, “We were indeed buried with him through baptism” (Romans 6:4), the symbolism is hard to miss and seems to apply to all who had been baptized.
I don’t think the Mormons have been paying attention to actual ancient writings,art, or the practice of ancient Christians. It’s kind of astounding how this is perpetually ignored.
Do Mormons know what the Didache even is?
^^^^This.
Let me put on my Mormon hat and say what would be said
From Catholic.com
Yeah the base is a conspiracy theory and the bees always buzz back to the base.Let me put on my Mormon hat and say what would be said
“Oh, that’s from the 2nd-3rd century, the Apostasy was already in full force by then! This shows how the true practice of immersion baptism was already lost by then.”
All the New Testament writings were to different peoples. Are you saying that it was an Apostasy Church that gathered and preserved those writings? Wouldn’t the odds be much greater, to almost 100%, that if the Church was in Apostasy, the NT she declared as inspired, is a forgery? She preserved writings that were actually uninspired, and got rid of the real ones.Let me put on my Mormon hat and say what would be said
“Oh, that’s from the 2nd-3rd century, the Apostasy was already in full force by then! This shows how the true practice of immersion baptism was already lost by then.”
Well pretty much that is what Mormons believe. That is, that the NT is corrupt and can only be correctly understood via corrections from Joseph Smith and his new scriptures. So not a forgery entirely, for Mormons, but good enough with additional scripture. In the Mormon view the NT is inspired but not infallible. Scripture for them requires constant reinterpretation via men they believe to be prophets, and prophets in the sense that what a Mormon prophet teaches is believed to be the inspired word of God (though not infallible).
A first-century document called the Didache, see post #83.
No, the subject of the thread is the Mormon claim of an apostasy which required a restoration. As you claimed:
And I asked
And you ignored. You ignored it because it proves the Mormon Church changes it doctrines and ordinances frequently, therefore, changing doctrine and practices it NOT a Mormon reason to prove an apostasy or the need for a restoration. AND uniquely Mormon doctrines and practices cannot be found anywhere in ancient Christian documents. For example:
Sounds like a practice the Christian laity was not accustomed to. Doubtful he would say something like “no one should be disturbed when Christians choose to attend a weekly worship service” since it was a common practice.
Bertrand Conway wrote:
Yes, it seems post #119 proves that.