No of course notā¦that makes sense. Iām just saying, in general, sex scenes in video games include nudity and explicit content and would thus be immoral to watch.
Ah. We agree.
There really is no significant difference between a pretend sex scene (under covers, as on a PG14 show) and one which shows the actual act, unless one counts the sexual effects on the viewer as the difference. Both take something which is meant to be between the wife and husband and only between them, and make it public. So I have to disagree.
I think itās obvious that āsimulatedā implies a simulated sexual act. I donāt think it covers hentai and animated porn at all. Simulated probably means in this context pretend sex as seen in mainstream Hollywood films, or soft core pornography. Real sex would be actual sex as in intercourse as occurs during conception.
Thatās not saying that virtual simulated sex is morally OK. Itās just in this intuitively seems they imply simulated sex acts. They would speak of depictions of sex acts in text, film, picture form otherwise and would be more specific. It seems to me the focus here is more on the participants in the act too and in terms of virtual porn there are none.
Well, Iām honestly not sure how to read the passage. Thatās certainly one interpretation that I could see as making sense. But on the other hand, that means that anyone who wached Star Trek 2009 has to confess to viewing pornograhy-
Hey! Just had a thought. You guys know the
CNS movie reviews site that rates movies by according to how morally sound they are and determines whether they ought to be seen by everyone, teenagers, only adults, only some adults, or nobody at all? Obviously they donāt have any sort of moral authority and nobody would ever use those reviews as more than a guideline, but I do know that they donāt give a ānobodyā rating to any movie with a sex scene in it. For instance, they gave Star Trek 2009 a rating of āA-IIIā, adults. Same with
Avatar.
That doesnāt mean Iām
right, obviously. It just means Iām not the only Catholic who makes that distinction. Honestly, Iām thinking more and more that one of us should just ask a priest. They might not know much about video games, but we
canāt be the only people to question what works count as pornography. IMO thatās a completely different question, and one that priests really ought to be able to answer.
Kamaduck hence the term unambigously does not make sense, as youāve used it because the Catechism would probably consider porn anything which debases the sexual aspects of the Sacrament of Marriage. What you or I consider porn or what Playboy magazine considers porn and not porn would not be relevant when it comes to that.
My apologies for being irrelevant. Since Iām not certain what the Catechism is actually referring to, I have to speak about what I
think itās saying.
As I understand it, the point was that you believe that whether something is porn depends on the reaction of the viewer, while I believe that some media is inherently pornographic, regardless of the person viewing it.
Old, but not too old to enjoy a little modern entertainment. Basically my point is this: women, the older generation, and priests look down their noses at video games and people who play them, and I would refrain from asking their opinions about said topic. You wonāt get any useful advice.
Iām a woman. Granted, I mostly play grand strategy and nintendo games, but I did buy Skyrim this summer. I was told that I was playing it wrong, spending all my time exploring the ~vast wilderness~ instead of doing quests.
Anyway, guys, the way I see it there are three questions being batted around in this thread.
- Is it immoral to make choices in video games that would be sinful if one chose them in real life?
I would say no, but with the caveat that choosing to view certain scenes in a game (such as pornographic ones) is sinful, and that some scenes may be sinful for some to watch while having little effect on others (such as scenes depicting violence).
- What counts as pornography?
This isnāt even really related, weāre just discussing it because this is CAF and we tend to bring up sexual sin regardless of the original topic. Iāve never seen people come to a consensus on this issue, so I donāt have an answer myself, but I tend not to declare that something is definitely porn unless it contains both nudity and sex (whether live-action or animated). Other depictions are usually bad ideas, but I donāt know that theyāre necessarily pornographic.
- If viewing sex is inherently wrong, is it wrong to watch depictions of other sins?
I think what confuses me about this question is that sex isnāt inherently a sin. The fact that itās being displayed
is the sin with pornography. Even if we were watching an actual married couple have sex, that would be wrong, because the act is supposed to be intimate and private.
Watching someone steal something or kill someone isnāt really comparable. Those things are wrong in and of themselves, but I donāt see why viewing them should be wrong, unless it has negative effects on the viewer.
