Does Mormonism Really Teach That Faithful Mormons Receive Their Own Planets?

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zaffiroborant said:
That manual was in use for a quite a while, I referred to it earlier and how it said your spirit children would have the same relationship with you that we have with Heavenly Father, IOW you would have spirit children who would worship you as Heavenly Father (and ignore you as Heavenly Mother). For members to pretend that this wasn’t taught is deceptive. Every LDS member posting in this board was taught for years from that manual, they are well aware they are not telling the whole truth, but in their minds that’s okay because Boyd K Packer president of the quorum of 12 of the LDS church has told them “some things that are true are not very useful”.
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Yes, see post #10.

I see that this former doctrine has now been relegated to “perhaps some members may have speculated on that at some time”. 🤷
 
PaulDupre1 said:
Yes, see post #10.

I see that this former doctrine has now been relegated to “perhaps some members may have speculated on that at some time”. 🤷
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Well they still do. A local Mormon elder and I have
had several go rounds on whether oxygen is needed
on Golub and the constantly increasing planets. He
insists that these planets unlike the rest of the solar
system will have oxygen while I just say good luck with that.
 
PaulDupre1 said:
Yes, see post #10.

I see that this former doctrine has now been relegated to “perhaps some members may have speculated on that at some time”. 🤷
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Yes that’s the manual I used to have a link to and a downloaded copy of, but this is not the computer I had it on and sadly that one has died, so many of them have died and taken my stuff with them.:crying:

To say “perhaps some members may have speculated on that at some time” when they know it was taught as doctrine to members for years is straight up deception. Members and the leadership of the LDS church are too ashamed to declare their doctrine to the world, fearful that it will appear outlandish and discourage people from investigating their church. Sad to be so ashamed of your beliefs that you have to resort to dissembling.
 
During my time at BYU-Idaho, a lot of guys would joke around with one other saying things like, “when i own my own planet, i’ll bring back dinosaurs” things like that. Really it was only girls that served missions that knew about the planet thing, mostly guys know. But when I was growing up, this was a common discussion in my young men meetings. I’m pretty sure this is unofficially official doctrine.
 
So do they think they will have actual relations with their spouse in order to have spirit children?
 
VanSensei said:
The beliefs of one aren’t necessarily doctrine for all.
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They are when it’s the president. The LDS church is strongly hierarchical, like the Roman Catholic church. The president occupies a role similar to that of the pope when it comes to doctrine.
 
michaeldean said:
They are when it’s the president. The LDS church is strongly hierarchical, like the Roman Catholic church. The president occupies a role similar to that of the pope when it comes to doctrine.
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Except that the president can apparently change and repudiate doctrine on a whim, while our Pope has no such authority. The Pope is guided by the Holy Spirit in terms of doctrine and actually is quite dissimilar from the Mormons in that regard.
 
PaulDupre1 said:
These doctrines were authoritatively taught throughout the LDS church until just a few years ago. Heck they only removed the words “spirit children” from the Gospel Doctrines manual two or three years ago.

Now they pretend they never heard it taught. Maybe, like so many LDS, they zoned out during that long and boring 3-hour block every Sunday. 🙂

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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Are you saying they removed the part about how we all, including Jesus, were “spirit children” in a “pre-existence”? Or just the part about how, if we are exalted to Godhood, we can go on to create “spirit children” in the next life, (which was/(is?) the doctrine taught as “eternal increase”)?

eom.byu.edu/index.php/Spirit

Edited to add corrected link.
 
truthsilence said:
Are you saying they removed the part about how we all, including Jesus, were “spirit children” in a “pre-existence”? Or just the part about how, if we are exalted to Godhood, we can go on to create “spirit children” in the next life, (which was/(is?) the doctrine taught as “eternal increase”)?
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Gospel Doctrine chapter 47 used to say that those who gained exaltation would be able to have spirit children. A few years ago they changed it to say that those who achieve exaltation would have eternal increase. Eternal increase is Mormon-speak for spirit children. So they didn’t change the doctrine internally but they changed the wording in the manual in order not to shock potential or new converts.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
PaulDupre1 said:
Gospel Doctrine chapter 47 used to say that those who gained exaltation would be able to have spirit children. A few years ago they changed it to say that those who achieve exaltation would have eternal increase. Eternal increase is Mormon-speak for spirit children. So they didn’t change the doctrine internally but they changed the wording in the manual in order not to shock potential or new converts.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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Gotcha 👍

“What do we mean by endless or eternal increase? We mean that through the righteousness and faithfulness of men and women who keep the commandments of God they will come forth with celestial bodies, fitted and prepared to enter into their great, high and eternal glory in the celestial kingdom of God; and unto them, through their preparation, there will come children, who will be spirit children. I don’t think that is very difficult to comprehend and understand.”

ldsgospeldoctrine.net/bwc/bwc-dc-31.pdf

“You will clearly perceive, from the revelation which God has given, that you can never obtain a fulness of glory, without being married to a righteous man for time and for all eternity. If you marry a man who receives not the gospel, you lay a foundation for sorrow in this world, besides losing the privilege of enjoying the society of a husband in eternity. You forfeit your right to an endless increase of immortal lives. And even children which you may be favored with in this life, will not be entrusted to your charge in eternity, but you will be left in that world without a husband, without a family, **without a kingdom, without any means of enlarging yourselves, being subject to the principalities and powers who are counted worthy of families, and kingdoms, and thrones, **and the increase of dominions forever. To them you will be servants and angels—that is, provided that your conduct should be such as to secure this measure of glory.” [Sec. 131:1-4.]

I remember being told that, if I stayed worthy, I’d be given a worthy spouse in heaven so that I could be exalted if my husband didn’t convert.

You can’t make this stuff up. Oh wait…
 
Ummmm…how can a woman (or Goddess?) have spirit children? If they’re made of spirit, and don’t have physical bodies, how does she carry them in the womb and give birth…to a spirit? Maybe I’m just thinking too hard about this. 🤷
And if this is so, then where did the first spirit baby come from? Who IS the Divine Wellspring?
 
jadamo said:
Ummmm…how can a woman (or Goddess?) have spirit children? If they’re made of spirit, and don’t have physical bodies, how does she carry them in the womb and give birth…to a spirit? Maybe I’m just thinking too hard about this. 🤷
And if this is so, then where did the first spirit baby come from? Who IS the Divine Wellspring?
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Those are all mysteries of God that we will learn about once we reach the celestial kingdom. 😉
 
Does every woman in every kingdom have to have spirit children? Or just the ones in the celestial kingdom? Cause if that’s the case, I’d rather be in a lower kingdom anyway! 😛
 
jadamo said:
Does every woman in every kingdom have to have spirit children? Or just the ones in the celestial kingdom? Cause if that’s the case, I’d rather be in a lower kingdom anyway! 😛
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Only those who make it to the highest of the three levels within the Celestial Kingdom (which is the highest of the three larger kingdoms) will be able to have spirit children.

I think the very worst thing would be to make it to the celestial kingdom but not the highest level; those people spend eternity serving and baby-sitting for the ones at the top.

Telestial or Terestrial glory sounds like way more fun. 🙂

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
jadamo said:
Ummmm…how can a woman (or Goddess?) have spirit children? If they’re made of spirit, and don’t have physical bodies, how does she carry them in the womb and give birth…to a spirit? Maybe I’m just thinking too hard about this. 🤷
And if this is so, then where did the first spirit baby come from? Who IS the Divine Wellspring?
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Brigham Young said, “the same as anywhere.” And he meant it. The same as Mary conceived Jesus. As for the good Mormon women who make it to the Celestial Kingdom, and get to have spirit children to populate planets as ours is populated, how heavenly does it sound to go through literally billions of pregnancies for all eternities. There is something unreasonable about that. Something utterly materialistic, verging on atheistic. Where is God?
 
Tarquin said:
Brigham Young said, “the same as anywhere.” And he meant it. The same as Mary conceived Jesus. As for the good Mormon women who make it to the Celestial Kingdom, and get to have spirit children to populate planets as ours is populated, how heavenly does it sound to go through literally billions of pregnancies for all eternities. There is something unreasonable about that. Something utterly materialistic, verging on atheistic. Where is God?
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It sounds rather hellish to me. I’d rather spend my time in one of the “lower” kingdoms and be single for eternity than to be part of a celestial harem and constantly pregnant.

Someone on another thread several months ago stated that Mormonism is an atheistic religion. The more I think about it, the more I believe it to be true. In Mormonism, there is no God, only highly evolved men.
 
iepuras said:
Someone on another thread several months ago stated that Mormonism is an atheistic religion. The more I think about it, the more I believe it to be true. In Mormonism, there is no God, only highly evolved men.
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Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught infinite regression. That suggests to me they were unfamiliar with Aquinas’ proofs for the existence of a “First Cause” or first God. I suspect Joseph at least had some acquaintance either with Plato - and his “gold plates” in “Critias,” or with higher masonic teachings regarding the “gold tablets” of - I think it was of Enoch.

If there is an infinity of planets, than eternal generations would never run out of planets to populate. But that presents other problems. If there was an infinite past, then there are already an infinite number of worlds that are populated. Within this cluster of systems, there is one at the geographical center. The problem has to do with the speed of physical bodies. If a new god and goddess have physical as well as spiritual bodies, and they are now ready to reproduce and populate a planet, what is the maximum speed their physical bodies can travel, even in the vacuum of space? It would seem to me, that if one were in the middle of an infinite expanse of physical bodies (solar systems, galaxies, however big the kingdoms are; I assume they grow from single planet to galactic cluster size and beyond), how long must their physical bodies travel before reaching an uninhabited planet which they can use for their own spirit children? The answer would seem to be or approach infinity, an infinite amount of time.

Another question has to do with that geographic center. If there is an infinite past, with gods creating “from eternity” (no beginning), how can there be something like a “center” from which the other gods’ worlds stretch? If there was never a first one, then there is no center!

However, thanks to modern science, the pressure of rational theology, and the internet, Mormon Church leaders are now distancing themselves from their former irrational doctrines, including polytheism and, I think, even the idea of an infinite past. The Mormon Church is finally catching up with Thomas Aquinas.
 
Tarquin said:
Brigham Young said, “the same as anywhere.” And he meant it. The same as Mary conceived Jesus. As for the good Mormon women who make it to the Celestial Kingdom, and get to have spirit children to populate planets as ours is populated, how heavenly does it sound to go through literally billions of pregnancies for all eternities. There is something unreasonable about that. Something utterly materialistic, verging on atheistic. Where is God?
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I just find all of this so unreal and wonder how any one can ever believe any of it.:confused:
 
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