Does mortal sin always equal hell?

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I got major depression at the moment as well as a phobia of religion, which basically means that i freak out and spiral into despair and darkness whenever i go near anything that reminds me of God. I’m getting heaps better. A few months ago i wouldn’t have been able to attend this site. The point is that our circumstances may affect our ability to keep the commandments. While they may be easy for some, others like me who have huge bitterness issues toward God and don’t want to be alive may find it hard to keep the commandments. For instance, i absolutely dread going to church because it usually sends me down in a spiral. It’s like superman going near chryptonite.

I understand that not everything is black and white. So if I die in mortal sin is it certain that I will go to hell?
No. I would say trust in God. God loves His people and did not become man to condemn man but that He would save us all. I would say that you should do everything you can to overcome any sins you have and hope in God. God loves you and is not looking for opportunities to condemn you, but rather is looking for opportunities to draw you into a relationship.
 
The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1874-
“To choose deliberately, that is, both knowing it and willing it- something gravely contrary to the divine law and to the ultimate end of man is to commit a mortal sin. This destroys in us the the charity without which eternal beatitude is impossible. Unrepented, it brings eternal death.”

Case closed?
 
True enough.
But I am speaking more along the lines of the individual that realizes their mortal sin state, but is killed before they can make confession.
Let’s assume killed in the confessional line (so we need not concern ourselves with intent).

Is the desire towards reconciliation enough to reduce the mortal sin to a mere venial sin?
Objectively, if someone is killed while standing in the Confession line and they haven’t made an act of perfect of contrition prior to their death then they would go to Hell.
 
So if a mortal sin is repented, is it still mortal?
Repented in confession? It is forgiven! Erased.

Repented without confession? Go to confession!

It would have to be a really weird circumstance to not be able to go to confession. Death?! Sounds like kids my age, always worried about the really unlikely scenarios :rolleyes:
 
It would have to be a really weird circumstance to not be able to go to confession. Death?! Sounds like kids my age, always worried about the really unlikely scenarios :rolleyes:
I’m not exactly worried about the unlikely, just curious as to the legalities of what would happen.

I believe I posted the specific circumstance earlier. If someone is unable to make a confession, with intent to make the confession, is the mortality of the mortal sin reduced to a mere venial sin?
 
I’m not exactly worried about the unlikely, just curious as to the legalities of what would happen.

I believe I posted the specific circumstance earlier. If someone is unable to make a confession, with intent to make the confession, is the mortality of the mortal sin reduced to a mere venial sin?
Trust in God’s mercy and don’t worry about it.
 
I’m not exactly worried about the unlikely, just curious as to the legalities of what would happen.

I believe I posted the specific circumstance earlier. If someone is unable to make a confession, with intent to make the confession, is the mortality of the mortal sin reduced to a mere venial sin?
Nothing changes the objective reality of the nature of a sin. Mortal sin remains mortal sin, and venial sin remains venial sin; there is no Rewind button that somehow fixes the past. Reconciliation gives one the certainty of absolution of the consequences of all sin, and the healing of the wounds they produced. This is the great gift of the sacrament.

That said, mortal sin as a state or disposition is not an insurmountable thing. Before the sacrament, there may still be the blemish and mortal wound, but grace can still operate in a person outside of the sacrament, as was mentioned. Consider: without God’s grace, a person would not be moved to go to confession at all in the first place.

If someone had the intent to partake of the sacrament, but was unable to, it should be fairly safe to say that they were in a state of perfect contrition; which is to say, they were no longer in the state of mortal sin. Our normative means of knowing when we are saved from this state is the sacrament of reconciliation. If someone dies before being able to go to confession, he is simply shoved to a higher court-- particular judgement-- before going through the lower ones here. God is a just judge and a merciful savior.

If two people are drowning, and one manages to get to a lifesaver, when the boat arrives to pick them up, both people will be rescued the same; it is simply easier for the one with lifesaver to hold on.

Being in a state of mortal sin is probably akin to tossing the lifesaver away and swimming away from the boat.
 
If that is the case, then God is indeed bound by his word.
And by extension, the sacraments.

He still, however, maintains authority over the administration thereof.
The Church teaches that God is not bound by the Sacraments.
 
“For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!”

“there is one Mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.”

“But as it is, He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.”

“if we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

👍
 
“For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!”

“there is one Mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.”

“But as it is, He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.”

“if we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

👍
Cute, but at no point does this address the issues brought up in the thread.
 
Cute, but at no point does this address the issues brought up in the thread.
God will deiliver His people from all their sin through Jesus Christ.

He is our great high preist, who not only offered Himself up for sin, but continues to plead the merits of His blood for all who approach God through Him.

Therefore, we are assured forgiveness for all of our sin.

For our sake God made Jesus to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

There is therefore now, no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 👍
 
God will deiliver His people from all their sin through Jesus Christ.

He is our great high preist, who not only offered Himself up for sin, but continues to plead the merits of His blood for all who approach God through Him.

Therefore, we are assured forgiveness for all of our sin.

For our sake God made Jesus to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

There is therefore now, no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 👍
Anyone can string together random bits of Catholic Sacred Scriptures (a.k.a. the Bible) to get whatever teaching they want from them.

Show us extant Christian writings from ~1,000, ~1,500, and ~1,750 years ago showing that Christians have always believed what you are implying. :coffeeread:
 
I’m not exactly worried about the unlikely, just curious as to the legalities of what would happen.

I believe I posted the specific circumstance earlier. If someone is unable to make a confession, with intent to make the confession, is the mortality of the mortal sin reduced to a mere venial sin?
Our Lord is a just and forgiving God to those who are sincerely repentant. The CC teaches that if a person has the sincere intent to confess and repent from mortal sin but doesn’t get to do so due to accidental or untimely death, the intent is enough to save the person from being condemned although purification is still necessary. That is provided the person’s motivation is to take the first possible opportunity to go to confession. It is a mortal sin forgiven. Procrastinating is another matter as it constitutes the lack of sincere motivation to repent.
 
The Catholic Church teaches that this is indeed the case. However, I have found that there is a great deal of ambiguity regarding just what that implies. For example, mortal sin can only be committed with “full knowledge and full consent of the will.” That’s rather general termanology and may be interpreted very broadly. Does anyone ever have full knowledge of anything? That seems to be a matter of opinion. Theologians and visionaries have said many, many things about hell and salvation, some apparently contradictory. Many saints have talked about the “fewness of the saved” and “hellfire and brimstone” visions, like the Fatima children. But St. Alphonsus Ligouri said that "God pardons all who pray with humility. One of the happier saint was Julian of Norwich, who had a vision in which Christ told her how “all will be well, and all manner of things will be well.” Some of the earlier theologians, like Origen and St. Gregory of Nyssa taught of a final restitution of all things and, while some of this was later condemned, some recent theologians have been talking about the possibility of hope that all will find salvation. So, you see, the teachings here are complicated.

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Good post.
I agree the teachings are somewhat complicated. I can relate to the OPs’ sense of frustration. The teachings on the hows and whos of hell are extremely ambiguous of the Church. This fact causes me concern and causes me to question my faith.

If the teachings of the Church are infallibly guided by the Holy Spirit, why is it that when one attempts with all his mind and heart to discern what the Church teaches in this regard he walks away with ambiguity on such a difficult matter?

Whenever one posts a question in this regard (hell), he is often met with answers pertaining to himself. But this is not where most peoples sense of dispair is. The sense of dispair is often for loved ones of which he has very little control.

If we look at the basic definition of Mortal Sin, I believe it can be argued that the definitions most often prescribed border on foolishness.

Moral Sin = grave matter, full knowledge and full consent.

The only way I can reconcile this definition is the following:

A Mortal Sin is a sin committed where the subject commits the sin knowing full well he/she has seperated him/herself from God with a full sense of willingness and full sense of knowing the ramification.

For those who would argue against my definition please let me attempt to clarify:

The vast majority of Catholics and virtually all non-Catholics commit sins of grave matter nearly daily, certainly weekly. Missing Mass, masturbation, contraception others. Of the Catholics I think it is fair to say that most are aware that the Church teaches these sins are of grave matter. However (and this is the point), they still commit the sins.

Therefore can we say the sins are likely mortal? I’d say we can most definitively (almost without exception) say that they cannot be. If we say that many people are in “mortal sin” because of committing these sins of grave matter, we must also say that these people are all in full belief they are going to hell if they do n ot repent. This is an absurd assumption given the popular believed description of hell.

i.e. If one was found in a situation where they immediatley had to choose a lifestyle change and repentance or walk through burning flames until thier skin was melted, regrown and repeated throughout eternity (Augustine) who outside a madman would not change?

But few do! Hence they are not in full knowledge and do not have full consent. Thereful argueably no sin is mortal.

Orr most people are hellbound. We cannot have it both ways, it is intellectually irresponsible.
 
Good post.
I agree the teachings are somewhat complicated. I can relate to the OPs’ sense of frustration. The teachings on the hows and whos of hell are extremely ambiguous of the Church. This fact causes me concern and causes me to question my faith.

If the teachings of the Church are infallibly guided by the Holy Spirit, why is it that when one attempts with all his mind and heart to discern what the Church teaches in this regard he walks away with ambiguity on such a difficult matter?

Whenever one posts a question in this regard (hell), he is often met with answers pertaining to himself. But this is not where most peoples sense of dispair is. The sense of dispair is often for loved ones of which he has very little control.

If we look at the basic definition of Mortal Sin, I believe it can be argued that the definitions most often prescribed border on foolishness.

Moral Sin = grave matter, full knowledge and full consent.

The only way I can reconcile this definition is the following:

A Mortal Sin is a sin committed where the subject commits the sin knowing full well he/she has seperated him/herself from God with a full sense of willingness and full sense of knowing the ramification.

For those who would argue against my definition please let me attempt to clarify:

The vast majority of Catholics and virtually all non-Catholics commit sins of grave matter nearly daily, certainly weekly. Missing Mass, masturbation, contraception others. Of the Catholics I think it is fair to say that most are aware that the Church teaches these sins are of grave matter. However (and this is the point), they still commit the sins.

Therefore can we say the sins are likely mortal? I’d say we can most definitively (almost without exception) say that they cannot be. If we say that many people are in “mortal sin” because of committing these sins of grave matter, we must also say that these people are all in full belief they are going to hell if they do n ot repent. This is an absurd assumption given the popular believed description of hell.

i.e. If one was found in a situation where they immediatley had to choose a lifestyle change and repentance or walk through burning flames until thier skin was melted, regrown and repeated throughout eternity (Augustine) who outside a madman would not change?

But few do! Hence they are not in full knowledge and do not have full consent. Thereful argueably no sin is mortal.

Orr most people are hellbound. We cannot have it both ways, it is intellectually irresponsible.
No sin is more powerful than the forgiveness and Divine Mercy of God. It is the sincerity of the repentant heart that determines our salvation along with Reconciliation. Where a person’s will to properly reconcile is permanently interrupted, the sincerity and desire to repent was there. That I am confident you can verify. However, it is not expected to be easy to live a Christian life in following Christ’s teachings. If a person chooses to commit any mortal sin under the conditions you outlined (grave matter, full knowledge and full consent), to say it is not a mortal sin because many may “choose” to in this day and age perform such acts is a serious problem we have in the practice of our faith, not in the faith itself. The last 40 to 50 years has brought about a mind frame of flexibility in God that does not exist which is part of the reason we have 80% non-practicing Catholics. The more people think something is ok to do the more people will do it. If a person falls to a weakness that leads to a grievous sin, they can be forgiven but only if repentance is sincere.
 
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