Does not intending to avoid a "near occasion" of sin invalidate a confession?

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Let’s say I have a friend. When I go out with this friend, I tend to overdo the drinking more often than not. I go to confession and confess the excessive drinking, but I think “Next time I go out with Jim, I just won’t drink as much-I need to learn to control myself, not stop seeing Jim altogether.”. I tell the priest that when I go out with Jim, this can be a near occasion of sin for me, but that I am going to limit my drinking next time I go out with Jim. He absolves me.

Is this valid?
 
If you told your priest the truth, and he absolved you for it, then you should trust it. If you truly mean to not drink as much, and to learn discipline then yes. If you are only saying it but not meaning it, then you might want to confess that as well.

Only you know if you mean your confession or not. If you mean it, it’s valid (even if you slip afterwards.) If you say and it don’t mean it, then it was a lie and simply compounded the problem.
 
I think the near occasion isn’t going out with Jim, it’s going out for drinks with Jim, or anybody for that matter. Either learn to control yourself–and maybe Jim can help hold you accountable–or else do something else when you go out with Jim.

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Let’s say I have a friend. When I go out with this friend, I tend to overdo the drinking more often than not. I go to confession and confess the excessive drinking, but I think “Next time I go out with Jim, I just won’t drink as much-I need to learn to control myself, not stop seeing Jim altogether.”. I tell the priest that when I go out with Jim, this can be a near occasion of sin for me, but that I am going to limit my drinking next time I go out with Jim. He absolves me.

Is this valid?
I cannot answer whether or not it is valid, since I do not know the state of your soul, contrition or your commitment to never sinning again. Not enough detail, and I don’t think you should give any more. This is between you, confessor and God.

Speak to a Priest about it.

However, I can speak generally, if it will help, and this is only my opinion based on my understanding!

If you go into confession with full knowledge that you will sin again (i.e. “oh, it will probably happen again, you know me”) then you are not truly sorry and this invalidates your confession (because a valid confession requires being truly sorry, which means you never want to sin ever again). If you go into confession with no firm purpose not to sin again, this also invalidates your confession and is an abuse of the sacrament, it also tempts God. You must go into confession repentant - that is, you must have a firm and strong will never to sin again. Otherwise, again, you are not truly sorry. You must not, in your mind, have a thought that in the future you probably will do x and y again which will make you sin. You have to really mean it when you say that you will never sin again. If by saying “I will drink less” you honestly believe it at the time of saying it, then it seems your confession is valid, though I am not sure how sorry one truly is by putting yourself in the near occasion of sin despite being truly sorry. Think of it like this, if I confess to my wife I had an affair with Sarah who is gorgeous and brings out the beast in me… would it be honest, or good, of me to then tell my wife that despite my sorrow at the affair I will still hang around with Sarah just not have the affair part.

As for near occasions of sin, they can be sins in themselves if serious and/or frequent enough. If you know full well that hanging out with someone usually means you will commit mortal sin, you sin by hanging out with them and not putting a stop to that friendship. Jesus commands us to be perfect as our Father is perfect - and we must be saints to enter into Heaven. This means we must detach from all sinful desires and all things that lead us into sin. If a near occasion of sin always leads you into sin, you sin by being in that near occasion of sin. To make it easier to think about, let us use a silly example. If everytime I stick my finger in my ear I curse God it follows that sticking my finger in my ear is a near occasion of sin. If I know this and yet continue to stick my finger in my ear, I am sinning by sticking my finger in my ear even without cursing God. Why? Because I tempt God ; because I tempt myself ; and because I have no desire to run as fast as I can away from anything that leads me into sin.

Notice in the Act of Contrition the lines “…and to avoid the near occasions of sin. Amen” or something similar. They are there for a reason.

Whatever the case may be, God is smiling upon you and you are doing the right thing in going to confession!
 
Wait, might this be the same Jim that I know? Mr. Beam?

Next time you get together with Jim have his friend Jack over too, you know, to make sure things don’t get out of hand. If you really need some help you can call in the Captain. Stop at about the time you feel comfortable doing “the wobble”.
 
Wait, might this be the same Jim that I know? Mr. Beam?

Next time you get together with Jim have his friend Jack over too, you know, to make sure things don’t get out of hand. If you really need some help you can call in the Captain. Stop at about the time you feel comfortable doing “the wobble”.
:confused: Not very charitable to make light of a situation where someone is struggling with potential sin.
 
=LaSainte;8775142]Let’s say I have a friend. When I go out with this friend, I tend to overdo the drinking more often than not. I go to confession and confess the excessive drinking, but I think “Next time I go out with Jim, I just won’t drink as much-I need to learn to control myself, not stop seeing Jim altogether.”. I tell the priest that when I go out with Jim, this can be a near occasion of sin for me, but that I am going to limit my drinking next time I go out with Jim. He absolves me.
Is this valid?
YES; conditionally in your fulfilling the promise.👍

God Bless,
Pat
 
YES; conditionally in your fulfilling the promise.👍

God Bless,
Pat
Well I’m not going to lie. I like to get a nice buzz on, and the holidays always provide ample opportunity. I do have a pretty high tolerance, so I could actually even do a few shots and still be pretty much ok. But one out of maybe 5 or 6 times I drink alcohol, I’m either a little fuzzy about some of the night before or the next day I think that something I did the night before was ill advised, like falling asleep nursing my son-of course, I do this anyway even if I don’t drink, but after I’ve had a few I guess I actually feel bad about it, like I wouldn’t have been so sleepy if I hadn’t had any alcohol at all.
 
Well I’m not going to lie. I like to get a nice buzz on, and the holidays always provide ample opportunity. I do have a pretty high tolerance, so I could actually even do a few shots and still be pretty much ok. But one out of maybe 5 or 6 times I drink alcohol, I’m either a little fuzzy about some of the night before or the next day I think that something I did the night before was ill advised, like falling asleep nursing my son-of course, I do this anyway even if I don’t drink, but after I’ve had a few I guess I actually feel bad about it, like I wouldn’t have been so sleepy if I hadn’t had any alcohol at all.
You nurse on the same nights that you drink heavily?
 
You nurse on the same nights that you drink heavily?
There is less alcohol in a drunk person’s milk than there is in a near-beer or in orange juice. A doctor told me it doesn’t matter at all. To even affect a baby, the mother would have to be literally dead. The real danger is in someone being too intoxicated to care for baby.

This is not medical advice-I know some people would see be uncomfortable nursing after even one drink, which is fine of course. But one must weigh the benefits of breastmilk vs. formula here. Pumping is best.
 
My sister in law drinks a beer once in a while to increase her breast milk. I’ve always been told by doctors that it’s fine to breast feed, if you don’t feel the effects. But that the same level of alcohol in your blood is in your breast milk. So if you feel it, so do they. 🤷
 
My sister in law drinks a beer once in a while to increase her breast milk. I’ve always been told by doctors that it’s fine to breast feed, if you don’t feel the effects. But that the same level of alcohol in your blood is in your breast milk. So if you feel it, so do they. 🤷
Not exactly. Yes it is true that there is the same level of alcohol in your breast milk as in your blood. The threshold of “drunkenness” in the U.S. is .08%. So if you are legally intoxicated, your baby is getting about .08% alcohol by volume. A near-beer is .5% and orange juice is about .3%, way more than .08%. Only a tiny, tiny fraction of this amount will ever make into the baby’s bloodstream Put it this way, if you drank a drunk person’s blood, you would have to drink gallons upon gallons of it to feel any effect. How much orange juice would you need to drink to get drunk? Triple that for breastmilk.
 
=LaSainte;8775836]Well I’m not going to lie. I like to get a nice buzz on, and the holidays always provide ample opportunity. I do have a pretty high tolerance, so I could actually even do a few shots and still be pretty much ok. But one out of maybe 5 or 6 times I drink alcohol, I’m either a little fuzzy about some of the night before or the next day I think that something I did the night before was ill advised, like falling asleep nursing my son-of course, I do this anyway even if I don’t drink, but after I’ve had a few I guess I actually feel bad about it, like I wouldn’t have been so sleepy if I hadn’t had any alcohol at all.
Being a good and PRUDENT Stewart of the Gifts god gas entrusted to us is to be taken seriously. Is what your doing Prudent?:rolleyes:

God Bless,
Pat
 
Being a good and PRUDENT Stewart of the Gifts god gas entrusted to us is to be taken seriously. Is what your doing Prudent?:rolleyes:

God Bless,
Pat
I agree that I could be more prudent, for sure. I’m just confused about the level of sinfulness here, namely whether or not continuing to drink occasionally but limit myself is enough to invalidate any confessions if I do slip up, and also whether or not a situation such as described above is mortally sinful, requiring confession before I would be able to take communion again.
 
I agree that I could be more prudent, for sure. I’m just confused about the level of sinfulness here, namely whether or not continuing to drink occasionally but limit myself is enough to invalidate any confessions if I do slip up, and also whether or not a situation such as described above is mortally sinful, requiring confession before I would be able to take communion again.
Speak to a Priest, your confessor, and tell him everything you have said here and with more detail. Only that will help.

In the meantime. Go to a quiet place. Place yourself before God, perhaps imagine that He is looking down on you from the Heavens, or from the Cross. Humbly beg of Him to open your heart; and ask that you may be admitted to be in His Divine Majesty’s presence. In His presence, and in the company of the Angels and Saints; and with the Blessed Virgin Mary - ask yourself in your heart of hearts the following question: can I really say, with all honesty, that I will never slip up again when I tempt myself with drink? Can I really say, with all honesty, that when I drink I am not risking going too far? Can I really say that when I go to confession I am honestly aiming to never go too far again, and to run as fast as I can away from that which leads me into sin? Can I honestly say that I have listened to the voice of Christ who said “And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.”? Can I trust myself enough to be honest about this?

God Bless you and keep you. Be prudent, be wise, and make a concerted effort never ever to sin. Our Lady is the model of the perfect Mother - perhaps after your meditations, whatever the answer to the questions, you can entrust yourself to her care. She will help you 🙂
 
I’m just confused about the level of sinfulness here
Maybe it’s my strong Protestant upbringing speaking, but all sin should be treated as a bad thing. Even venial sin. We shouldn’t think “Is this one OK to do some because it’s just a little sinful?” Those kinds of thoughts can turn venial into mortal sin. Especially if we prepare to do the sin specifically because we think it’s OK… it’s just a little sin… God has to forgive me.

Many venial sins lead to mortal sin.
 
I tell the priest that when I go out with Jim, this can be a near occasion of sin for me, but that I am going to limit my drinking next time I go out with Jim. He absolves me.

Is this valid?
is what valid?
the absolution? of course
there is no issue of validity in making stupid choices
 
=LaSainte;8776142]I agree that I could be more prudent, for sure. I’m just confused about the level of sinfulness here, namely whether or not continuing to drink occasionally but limit myself is enough to invalidate any confessions if I do slip up, and also whether or not a situation such as described above is mortally sinful, requiring confession before I would be able to take communion again.
I’ll share my opinion BUt that is all it is. This matter ought to be discussed with you’re Confessor.

IF you intend to “get drnk” it’s a Mortal sin

If you know that you cannot drink W/O getting dunk [are compulsive] but drink any way it COULD BE a Mortal sin

If you drink casually and it just gets out of hand; it MAY NOT be a Mortal sin?

This is a SERIOUS issue with you and you’re Spiritual life and you deserve to get an INFORMED reply. PLEASE speak to you’re Confessor about it.🙂

God Bless you,
Pat
 
There is less alcohol in a drunk person’s milk than there is in a near-beer or in orange juice. A doctor told me it doesn’t matter at all. To even affect a baby, the mother would have to be literally dead. The real danger is in someone being too intoxicated to care for baby.

This is not medical advice-I know some people would see be uncomfortable nursing after even one drink, which is fine of course. But one must weigh the benefits of breastmilk vs. formula here. Pumping is best.
But being tipsy around baby is not safe. Don’t co sleep if you are not totally coherent. Alcohol could cause you to sleep deeper and be less aware of baby.


Do not sleep with your baby if:
  1. You are under the influence of any drug (such as alcohol or tranquilizing medications) that diminishes your sensitivity to your baby’s presence. If you are drunk or drugged, these chemicals lessen your arousability from sleep.
askdrsears.com/topics/sleep-problems/sids-latest-research-how-sleeping-your-baby-safe
 
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