Does 'repetition' = 'vain repitition'?

[MariaG]

I think this line from believers’ profile may explain: “born into Catholicism; born-again into Christianity.” You see, we’re apparently not Christians, and therefore, the bounds of charity don’t apply

Yeah, but actually a good tactic. In this way, he will either get kicked off, or get the thread closed and he won’t have to actually come up with Scripture on where God tells us not to pray like Christ (be more Christ-like except in how we pray?)or explain away his man-made rules that keep changing as to how to define vain repetition.

Vain repetition defined as believers says, anything Catholic since Catholics are heathens .

 

[believers]

But I will say, good one.

When unable to actually explain your constant man-made rule changes, attack.

Where again in scripture does it tell us not to pray like Christ and the angels do?

You actually think that praying the rosary is praying like Christ and the angels?

Would Christ ever pray to Mary?
Would Christ ever use a rosary?
Would Christ ever pray like the heathen?

 

[MariaG]

You actually think that praying the rosary is praying like Christ and the angels?

Would Christ ever pray to Mary?
Would Christ ever use a rosary?
Would Christ ever pray like the heathen?

AGAIN, I said I would be happy to discuss the Rosary with you specifically, but first you need to define exactly what VAIN repetition is.

When you are willing to admit that repeating things, like Christ did, like the angels do, like Paul did, like the psalmist did, repeating over and over, is different from Vain repetition, we can move on.

But so far you wish to jump staight to the Rosary.

First, admit that just because a word, phrase or prayer is repeated over and over to God, it is not vain repetition. Or explain why Christ, the angels, Paul and the psalmists all repeated things over and over to God but it is not vain repetition.

AGAIN, this is not admitting that you think the Rosary is not vain repetition.

 

[believers]

AGAIN, I said I would be happy to discuss the Rosary with you specifically, but first you need to define exactly what VAIN repetition is.

When you are willing to admit that repeating things, like Christ did, like the angels do, like Paul did, like the psalmist did, repeating over and over, is different from Vain repetition, we can move on.

But so far you wish to jump staight to the Rosary.

First, admit that just because a word, phrase or prayer is repeated over and over to God, it is not vain repetition. Or explain why Christ, the angels, Paul and the psalmists all repeated things over and over to God but it is not vain repetition.

You’ve been avoiding the rosary all together. You can’t defend your rosary because it’s completely UNSCRIPTURAL.

 

[MariaG]

You’ve been avoiding the rosary all together. You can’t defend your rosary because it’s completely UNSCRIPTURAL.

Not true, but I refuse to discuss the Rosary with you specifically until you choose to admit that scripture clearly shows there is a difference between repeating prayers and vain repetition.

Unless you are intellectually honest enough and not completely blinded by the lies of Satan to admit this, there is absolutely no reason to get into the specifics of the Rosary since you are too blinded by Satan to see the Truth of Scripture.

 

[believers]

Not true, but I refuse to discuss the Rosary with you specifically until you choose to admit that scripture clearly shows there is a difference between repeating prayers and vain repetition.

Unless you are intellectually honest enough and not completely blinded by the lies of Satan to admit this, there is absolutely no reason to get into the specifics of the Rosary since you are too blinded by Satan to see the Truth of Scripture.

Ok then… let’s get into the specifics of the heathen rosary? We don’t even have to mention the Catholic rosary. I’m sure many people here would like to see the difference… or should I say similarity?

 

[MariaG]

Ok then… let’s get into the specifics of the heathen rosary? We don’t even have to mention the Catholic rosary. I’m sure many people here would like to see the difference… or should I say similarity?

So you admit that there is a difference and that we actually are shown in scripture that God IS pleased by repeating heartfelt prayers and petitions? That this would not be vain repetition?

Yes or no?

 

[believers]

So you admit that there is a difference and that we actually are shown in scripture that God IS pleased by repeating heartfelt prayers and petitions? That this would not be vain repetition?

Yes or no?

Yes or No. The Catholic rosary is something Jesus would do?

 

[djrakowski]

Ok then… let’s get into the specifics of the heathen rosary? We don’t even have to mention the Catholic rosary. I’m sure many people here would like to see the difference… or should I say similarity?

I’ve never heard any references to the Rosary outside of Christianity. Could you please provide some references to these heathen so-called rosaries?

 

[MariaG]

Yes or No. The Catholic rosary is something Jesus would do?

I refuse to discuss the Rosary with you specifically until you choose to admit that scripture clearly shows there is a difference between repeating prayers and vain repetition.

If you are unable to provide the scripture just say so.

If you are unable to explain why you believe what you believe, just say so.

Otherwise, Why not answer the question of whether or not repeating prayers is the same as vain repetition and why God would choose to inspire the psalmists to vainly repeat themselves in scripture?

 

[water]

Yes or No. The Catholic rosary is something Jesus would do?

Are you saying that repetition is forbidden?
Are you considering Jesus as sinners as we all are?

 

[djrakowski]

Yes or No. The Catholic rosary is something Jesus would do?

There’s at least one Catholic private devotion that isn’t the Rosary that also has repetitious prayers, and it is called the Chaplet of Divine Mercy. Why are you suddenly interested in shifting focus from what constitutes vain repetition to whether the Rosary is scriptural, when it isn’t even the only devotion in which prayers are repeated?

 

[Church_Militant]

Ok then… let’s get into the specifics of the heathen rosary? We don’t even have to mention the Catholic rosary. I’m sure many people here would like to see the difference… or should I say similarity?

I’ve never seen a heathen Rosary…Moreover there is nothing wrong with prayer beads. There is nothing in the Word of God that proscribes them…This is YOUR personal premise and unfounded on the Word of God.

The Jews have something similar that are prayer beads.
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Our Lord repeated the same prayer in the garden of Gethsemane. Did He think he would be heard for his repetitions?

And what about all the n-Cs who choose to repeat the Lord’s prayer?

You ignore the fact that there are quite a few different Rosaries and chaplets that we Catholics like to pray.

Not only do I pray the Marian Rosary but I pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet as well. I also pray the Chaplet of St. Michael the archangel.

Each is a prayer and a meditation on some different aspect of the Christian faith. The Marian Rosary focuses on the life of Christ.

You do greatly err.

 

[Church_Militant]

Yes or No. The Catholic rosary is something Jesus would do?

Yes!The Jews of Jesus day repeated the Psalms and many other prayers. They had a liturgy that Our Lord Himself participated in and never condemned.

 

[believers]

If you are unable to provide the scripture just say so.

If you are unable to explain why you believe what you believe, just say so.

Otherwise, Why not answer the question of whether or not repeating prayers is the same as vain repetition and why God would choose to inspire the psalmists to vainly repeat themselves in scripture?

I’m a follower of Jesus. If you can prove to me in scripture that Jesus used the rosary, then I would too.

 

[water]

I’m a follower of Jesus. If you can prove to me in scripture that Jesus used the rosary, then I would too.

Not this type of argument again! so here I come - could you prove to us in the Bible Jesus says “No rosary please”.

 

[Church_Militant]

I’m a follower of Jesus

. If you can prove to me in scripture that Jesus used the rosary, then I would too.I can’t tell from the charity that you display towards my Catholic friends and I…

Oh so now you will call for historical facts to support it?

But you are a “Bible Only Christian” are you not?

 

[djrakowski]

Are you saying that repetition is forbidden?
Are you considering Jesus as sinners as we all are?

Good question… MariaG, cecilia97, JoeyWarren, myself and others have been trying to get believers to answer it directly for quite a while now, and this is what he (she? no disrespect intended) says:

He’s God, you’re not. He obviously wasn’t praying like the heathen. He didn’t have a rosary either.

believers has this habit of adding qualifications to the written Word of God that plainly aren’t there. My fellow Catholics have shown scriptural examples of repetitious prayers, so believers has added the qualification that you can’t use a set of beads to count them. Further, he added the qualification that Jesus is allowed to pray repetitiously, but we’re not allowed to follow his example.

 

[believers]

Yes!The Jews of Jesus day repeated the Psalms and many other prayers. They had a liturgy that Our Lord Himself participated in and never condemned.

Would you kindly explain why Jesus would do such a thing?

 

[MariaG]

I’m a follower of Jesus. If you can prove to me in scripture that Jesus used the rosary, then I would too.

Why is your faith threatened and you constantly have to change the topic from repeating prayers and vain repetition?

I HAVE to go, but truly, why do you feel compelled to constantly try and shift the conversation instead of answering the questions as to vain repetition and repeating prayers?