Does 'repetition' = 'vain repitition'?

[Church_Militant]

Would you kindly explain why Jesus would do such a thing?

Because it was a part of the faith that he practiced while here on earth…

 

[believers]

Why is your faith threatened and you constantly have to change the topic from repeating prayers and vain repetition?

I HAVE to go, but truly, why do you feel compelled to constantly try and shift the conversation instead of answering the questions as to vain repetition and repeating prayers?

There’s absolutely no way you could threatened my faith.

 

[water]

There’s absolutely no way you could threatened my faith.

Her question is - why couldn’t you stick to the topic?

 

[Church_Militant]

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Guy wrote:

Hi. I am a university student researching the mezuza; can you please send me information on its history, and its potential use as an amulet. Thanks

Dear Guy,

When you ask about the history of the mezuza, are you asking about its origin? If so, the answer is that the mezuza has the same origin as all the commandments in the Torah: They were revealed by Hashem to the Jewish People at Mount Sinai.

Interestingly, though, the mezuza was soon singled out for criticism by a group of people rebelling against Moshe. “If a room is filled with holy books,” they asked, “does it still need a mezuza on its door?!” They were basically trying to ridicule Moses, but their point was this: Does the ‘House of Israel’ (the holy Jewish People) need a ‘mezuza’ - i.e., a leader or priest who adds to their holiness?

The answer to them was simple: Everything Moses did, whether appointing priests or affixing mezuzot, was commanded by Hashem. That answers your question as well.

The mitzva of mezuza is to write two paragraphs from the Torah - “Shema” and “V’haya” - and affix them to the door-post of all gates, houses and rooms. Among other things, these two paragraphs state that Hashem is One, and that we should take the Torah’s words to heart and teach them to our children.

Wearing the mezuza as an amulet stems from ignorance. One negative outcome of this practice is the desecration that occurs when, for instance, someone walks into the bathroom wearing a mezuza.

Fortunately, what is often worn around the neck and called a mezuza isn’t really one, but simply a decorative case like those used to cover real mezuzot.

However, placing a valid mezuza on your door-post in fulfillment of the mitzva earns special protection from Hashem for you and for your children. This idea is related by the Talmud in the following most unusual episode:

Onkelos, the brilliant nephew of the Roman Emperor Titus, converted to Judaism and became a disciple of the Sages. Hearing this, Titus sent a brigade of soldiers to bring him back to Rome. But when Onkelos engaged the soldiers in discussion and showed them the beauty of Torah, they converted to Judaism.

Titus then sent another brigade, instructing them not to speak to Onkelos, but with the same result: They too converted to Judaism.

Finally Titus sent a third brigade and instructed them not even to listen to Onkelos. When they were leading Onkelos away, Onkelos placed his hand on the mezuza and said, "What is that?"

"You tell us," the soldiers said.

"Normally, a human king sits inside and his servants stand outside and guard him. But, the Holy One Blessed be He, His servants are inside and He guards them from outside."

They too converted. Titus sent no more soldiers.

Sources:

* Deuteronomy 6,9
* Shulchan Aruch Yoreh De'ah 284
* Tractate Avodah Zarah 11

 

[Church_Militant]

There’s absolutely no way you could threatened my faith.

As if that was our intention.

Get your facts straight as well as your ideas as to what the Word of God really teaches . In other words…Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 2nd Timothy 2:15.

 

[djrakowski]

I’m a follower of Jesus. If you can prove to me in scripture that Jesus used the rosary, then I would too.

Ah, I see… here’s a list of other things Jesus didn’t command, but that I see non-Catholic Christians doing all the time:

1. take communion that consisted of soda crackers and grape juice
2. attend small group Bible studies
3. wear a cross on a chain around his neck
4. command us to exchange rings with our spouses at our wedding
5. command us to marry in a church building with a minister presiding over the service
6. lead someone down a prooftexted ‘Romans road’ to salvation
7. teach children in a Sunday school program
8. be a counsellor at a Christian summer camp
9. coach children in Christian-oriented sports programs
   etc., etc., etc.

Why do Christians do all these things Jesus neither commanded nor did Himself?

And yet, you want us to believe that following the scriptural example of Jesus in repetitious prayer as He prayed in the garden is somehow unbiblical?

 

[JoeyWarren]

Yes they do. And, heathens also have a rosary to keep track of how many prayers they’ve said. Sound familiar?

No they don’t.

Heathens use VAIN repitition. Catholics and others use repitition.

And, heathens also have a rosary to keep track of how many prayers they’ve said. Sound familiar?

Show me from the Bible where heathens use some sort of device to keep track of how many prayers are said!

Heathens use VAIN repitition!

And why do Heathens use VAIN repetititions?

for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

repetitions become VAIN when you do it in a manner to draw attention to yourself.

Jesus was not condemning repetitions, he was condemning repetitions that are done for vanity’s sake.

In the previous verses he is condemning praying out loud as such as goes on in most charismatic churches. It always appears to be a Vanity Contest as to who can pray the loudest and pray the most righteous prayers.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they**(PROTESTANTS) love to pray standing in the synagogues(CHURCHES)** and in the corners of the streets,** that they may be seen of **men(THE CONGREGATION). Verily I say unto you, They have their reward(AND IT AINT PRETTY).

6 But thou, when thou** prayest, enter **into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

 

[MariaG]

There’s absolutely no way you could threatened my faith.

Her question is - why couldn’t you stick to the topic?

Yes, why can’t you answer from scripture why repeating prayers is the same as vain repetition and also then explain why God inspired the psalmists to write repetitive prayers. Why we should imitate Christ in all things, except in the way Christ prayed to the Father?

Or admit that repetitive prayer, in and of itself, is not the definition of Vainly repetitious.

But I guess changing the subject IS easier than reexamining things that you thought you knew or carefully studying scripture, rightly handling the word of God.

God Bless,
Maria

 

[Unitas]

Prayers are useful when they’re heart felt. Useless prayers are not heart felt; aka in vain; pointless.

Believers is quite simply just judging the hearts of men by declaring their prayers in vain at his discretion.

Jesus is able to say which prayers are in vain because He can read men’s hearts. Believers has no such insight. So there is no way he can determine if a prayer is in vain or not. Therefore it is quite presumptuous for him to say so.

 

[JoeyWarren]

No, that is not true.

Believers is claiming that All Repititious Prayer is VAIN Repititious.

His shallow hal reading of the chapter allows him to not see the context of the passages.[He cannot] {MODERATOR REMOVED uncharitable comments} discern that heartfelt repetitive prayer is not the same as vain repetitive prayer.

He reads “vain repitition” but his brain only comprehends “repitition” so all repetition is bad.