Does Rev 5:8: really refer to offertory prayer from humans?

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Any clarification or further Scriptuaral reference apprecitated.
 
Yes, it explicitly says “prayers of the saints”. The Bible uses the term “saints” in this context to refer to the Christians on earth, while the Elders are saints in Heaven.
 
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Yes, it explicitly says “prayers of the saints”. The Bible uses the term “saints” in this context to refer to the Christians on earth, while the Elders are saints in Heaven.
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Not an answer. Or at least it does not make sense to me. This ain’t gonna go anywhere with my Reformed freinds.

Where is this distinction between Christans on Earth and in heaven in the Bible?
 
rien said:
Not an answer. Or at least it does not make sense to me. This ain’t gonna go anywhere with my Reformed freinds.

Where is this distinction between Christans on Earth and in heaven in the Bible?
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Play devil’s advocate and tell us some of the arguements that your friends will use against this verse. That might help us understand where you are coming from.
 
rien said:
Not an answer. Or at least it does not make sense to me. This ain’t gonna go anywhere with my Reformed freinds.

Where is this distinction between Christans on Earth and in heaven in the Bible?
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Heb 12:1. The saints who have passed on are part of a great cloud of witnesses. How can one be a witness if he cannot see?
 
rien said:
Not an answer. Or at least it does not make sense to me. This ain’t gonna go anywhere with my Reformed freinds.

Where is this distinction between Christans on Earth and in heaven in the Bible?
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(Rev 5:9-10) They sang a new hymn: “Worthy are you to receive the scroll and to break open its seals, for you were slain and with your blood you purchased for God those from every tribe and tongue, people and nation. You made them a kingdom and priests for our God, and they will reign on earth.”

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
I hope the Op returns and explains if we are giving her/him the answers that she/he is seeking.
 
Rev 5:8 mentions that elders in Heaven (deceased faithful) are presenting prayers of the saints (Christians alive on Earth) to God.

A good question then is, how did these deceased faithful get our prayers instead of going to God (as an evangelical would assume they are directed)?

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Does Rev 6:9-11 refer to imprecatory prayers (pleas for God’s judgment) on humans? YES!

When he broke open the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slaughtered because of the witness they bore to the word of God. They cried out in a loud voice, “How long will it be, holy and true master, before you sit in judgment and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth?” Each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to be patient a little while longer until the number was filled of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been. (Rev 6:9-11)

If they pray for some people to be punished, it shouldn’t be a surprise that they pray for some to be helped.

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
rien said:
Not an answer. Or at least it does not make sense to me. This ain’t gonna go anywhere with my Reformed freinds.

Where is this distinction between Christans on Earth and in heaven in the Bible?
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Im not sure if others have answered your question, I have not been able to be online for the last few days.

Anyway, Im not sure what you are asking here. The distinction between those in Heaven and on earth seems pretty clear in places like Rev 5:8. The elders are obviously in Heaven offering up prayers.

The “saints” referenced in Rev 5:8 is in reference to the Christians on earth, that is how the term “saint” is most often used in the Bible.
 
Acts 9:13,32,41; 26:10; 1 Cor. 6:1-2; 14:33; 2 Cor. 1:1; 8:4; 9:1-2; 13:13; Rom. 8:27; 12:23; 15:25,26, 31; 16:2,15; Eph. 1:1,15,18; 3:8; 5:3; 6:18; Phil. 1:1; 4:22; Col 1:2,4,26; 1 Tm 5:10; Philemon 1:5,7; Heb. 6:10; 13:24; Jude 1:3; Rev. 11:18; 13:7; 14:12; 16:6; 17:6;18:20,24; Rev 19:8; 20:9 - in these verses, we see that Christians still living on earth are called “saints.”

Matt. 27:52; Eph. 2:19; 3:18; Col. 1:12; 2 Thess. 1:10; Rev. 5:8; 8:3-4; 11:18; 13:10 - in these verses, we also see that “saints” also refer to those in heaven who united with us.

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Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
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