Does Satan hate himself?

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It doesn’t! The temptations to pride and selfishness need not apply to the body - as the example of Lucifer demonstrates…
But in the case of humans, temptations of pride and selfishness are motivated by our physical needs. We are not purely spiritual beings. Pride is the apex of the seven deadly (cardinal) sins. all the sins are linked to pride. I’m not saying human pride is different from demon pride. I’m saying the temptations are motivated by different mechanisms.

In the order of the Universe, humans are between animals and Angels. We are the highest animals combined with the lowest order of angels.

Angels - Pure Spirit
Humans - Body and Spirit
Animals - Body

Angels are one step removed from the physical. They have no motivation to procreate, eat, drink, or sleep. In other words, they are not limited in the ways we are, and so their motivations would be different then ours.

Reference:

Angels of God with Fr. John Horgan (see program 1 and 2)

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=7071&T1=

On a side note…

What we need to remember is that whatever tempted the enemy is irreversible. The angels and fallen angels are not being tempted now. They were tempted and this caused 1/3 of them to fall from heaven. So, what is going on now is the aftermath of the rebellion of the fallen angels against God. When we speculate about temptations that caused the fall, we are talking about an event that has already taken place. Hence, I will restate that I think the why or motivation for tempting us may not be emotional, but rooted in some task associated with their rebellion against God. In other words, they are on a one way street headed for oblivion.
 
“Abandon hope all ye who enter here.” Dante

Satan, called Lucifer (meaning “light”) had his choice to serve or not – non serviam. We all know his choice. Because he had the most understanding of all the angels, he had to know what he was getting himself into. It was pride that caused the fall. Yet, since he and his cohorts are chained in the darkness Hell “to be reserved unto judgment,” (II Peter 2:4), he has nothing but absolute hatred, just as God is absolute love. Such hatred spurs him on to snatch souls away from Christ, who died for all souls. Maybe that is his only pride.
 
youtube.com/watch?v=q29CmMHSQ3M

Mark Twain’s depiction of Satan and the way he thinks. Original inspiration for this was Twain’s “Mysterious Stranger” an unfinished novella. It is pretty much a compiled version of his book. The novella itself is very much worth reading and is given out free online.
 
Another fascinating book about the way Satan thinks is one most posters know about and that is The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis. The format is a series of letters from the top devil, Uncle Screwtape, to his nephew, Wormwood. These letters depict how he teaches his nephew how to enter into the recesses of our minds and use our very normal feelings and thoughts to twist them around and cause us, humans, to fall for his antics and commit various sins.

It’s also online:

members.fortunecity.com/phantom1/books2/c._s.lewis-_the_screwtape_letters.htm
 
Angelic beings are certainly different from us but all persons must have the same temptations to pride and selfishness because they have free will.
But in the case of humans, temptations of pride and selfishness are motivated by our physical needs. We are not purely spiritual beings. Pride is the apex of the seven deadly (cardinal) sins. all the sins are linked to pride. I’m not saying human pride is different from demon pride. I’m saying the temptations are motivated by different mechanisms.
Temptations of pride and selfishness are not always motivated by our physical needs. For example, to believe we are more important than God or anyone else has nothing to do with our physical needs. To choose to exist only for oneself is motivated by a desire for spiritual independence - both in this world and the next.
 
Temptations of pride and selfishness are not always motivated by our physical needs. For example, to believe we are more important than God or anyone else has nothing to do with our physical needs. To choose to exist only for oneself is motivated by a desire for spiritual independence - both in this world and the next.
One could argue that the desire to be more important than anyone else (to dominate) stems from the physical need for survival. One could make the same argument for the desire for independence. The soul and body are linked. One effects the other. One goes where the other goes.

Since angels are immortal and are subject to die (beyond their fate in the pit), there is no drive to survive. Nor is the any desire to do the things needed to survive (eat, sleep, procreate, etc). Hence no need to dominate for the same reasons humans dominate.

What then would a desire for pure spiritual dominance and independence entail in humans? Please provide a real world example.
 
Since angels are immortal and are subject to die (beyond their fate in the pit),
Correcting my previous statement.

Since angels are immortal and are not subject to die (beyond their fate in the pit)…
 
One could argue that the desire to be more important than anyone else (to dominate) stems from the physical need for survival. One could make the same argument for the desire for independence. The soul and body are linked. One effects the other. One goes where the other goes.

Since angels are immortal and are subject to die (beyond their fate in the pit), there is no drive to survive. Nor is the any desire to do the things needed to survive (eat, sleep, procreate, etc). Hence no need to dominate for the same reasons humans dominate.

What then would a desire for pure spiritual dominance and independence entail in humans? Please provide a real world example.
The lust for power is not related to physical survival. It gives people great pleasure and satisfaction to control others and have them at their mercy. Satan was driven by his lust for power to rebel against God even when his survival was completely assured.
 
The lust for power is not related to physical survival. It gives people great pleasure and satisfaction to control others and have them at their mercy. Satan was driven by his lust for power to rebel against God even when his survival was completely assured.
How about some proof to back up those two statements?
  1. For the psychological observations on human nature.
  2. Scriptural basis that the rebellion against God was motivated soley by a lust for power (to wield either over God or Humanity)?
 
Did Joseph Stalin hate himself? How about Lenin and Trotsky? Did Adolf Hitler despise himself? Did Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Cho En Lai, Mao Tse-Tung , Che Guevara, and other genocidal maniacs hate themselves? Does Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez hate themselves? Like Satan, all of these despicable murderers and dictators are full of pride and arrogance, and feed on a hatred of all that is Good and Holy. No, they don’t hate themselves, they love themselves. Hell was created for creatures like them.
 
God is love. Hell is the absence of God. God is the truth. Hell is the absence of God. Can Satan have self love? Then this begs the question, what is love? …but we just answered that.

Selfishness is not love. It isn’t even self-love because it doesn’t seek the highest good for the beloved (in this case, the self).

I think the answer to your question lies in the fact that hell is the absence of God, and all that this truth implies.
 
Does Satan hate himself? Does he know he screwed up?
Not only does he hate himself, he despises himself; he knows very well that he is the cause of his eternal state. Being angelic in nature, how much he knows!
 
Since authentic love requires wanting the very best for a person (be it another person, or yourself) and the greatest good that a person could desire is God, and Satan turned against God, it would certainly seem to me that he does not love himself, at least authentically.
 
Ah…but does he actually believe he is right, or does he fool himself to believe he is right because he’s lost so much, and it would all have been for nothing if he admitted, even to himself, that he was wrong? Just a thought to ponder, not suggesting it is actually the case…just looking at it from a human perspective 🙂
Oh of course, quiet right, but then again it’s all about perception. I think we would like to believe somewhere deep within Satan regrets what he has done, that he may be just like us, a wayward son who fell from grace…(the argument falls flat on it’s face though, doesn’t it?..after all Satan was an angel once, and given this mere fact, he isn’t a human. He has a higher mental capability I would believe, which would certainly explain his lack of respect for humanity)

However that’s all pure conjecture…
In the end, I don’t know really. Revelation states he is cast into the fiery lake. Given it’s clarity on this point, Satan doesn’t take advantage of the time of mercy and is sentenced through justice alone. Perhaps it’s a metaphor, a warning of what might be, if we don’t choose Our Lord before the great Judgment.
 
Although the Catholic Church teaches that no person is obligated to believe in private revelation, reading and contemplating on the private revelations of the saints, provided that these private revelations do not contradict church teaching, is used by many to strengthen their faith. Such it is is with “The Mystical City of God, The History and Life of The Blessed Virgin Mary” by the Venerable Mary of Vegrada. She provides an interesting ecstatic vision she had as to Satan’s rebellion and that of his angels here: sacredheart.com/The_Mystical_City_of_God_Book_01_Chapter_03.htm
 
The lust for power is not related to physical survival. It gives people great pleasure and satisfaction to control others and have them at their mercy.

How about some proof to back up those two statements?
  1. For the psychological observations on human nature.
Do you deny that it gives some people great pleasure and satisfaction to control others and have them at their mercy? Do you think there is no evidence whatsoever?
Satan was driven by his lust for power to rebel against God even when his survival was completely assured.
  1. Scriptural basis that the rebellion against God was motivated solely by a lust for power (to wield either over God or Humanity)?
I have not stated that Satan was motivated **solely **by a lust for power (to wield either over God or Humanity). I don’t claim to know precisely what was in Satan’s mind…

There are many spiritual truths for which there is no Scriptural basis…
 
Do you deny that it gives some people great pleasure and satisfaction to control others and have them at their mercy? Do you think there is no evidence whatsoever?

I have not stated that Satan was motivated **solely **by a lust for power (to wield either over God or Humanity). I don’t claim to know precisely what was in Satan’s mind…

There are many spiritual truths for which there is no Scriptural basis…
The subject is about Angelic beings.

I have already provided a source for my assertions (which includes Scriptural and Traditional citations). Here is the link in this discussion…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6830814&postcount=21

Here is another citation from a man who might be considered an expert on the enemy…

An Exorcist Tells His Story by Fr. Gabriel Amorth… Pg. 19 - 36… which includes the twos chapters The Centrality of Christ and The Power of Satan.

I will also refer you to the Catholic Encyclopedia articles on the subject. Look at the top of this page, and you will find a link to them.

The burden of proof is on your part. Please, provide the evidence for your assertions.

For clarification purposes to other readers, you quoted your own words above in the quotation box and mixed them with mine…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6835935&postcount=28

My words begins with… “How about some proof…”
 
I believe Satan has a love-hate relationship - with himself of course! He chooses to exist for himself rather than God and others because he is full of self-love and wants to have absolute independence and power. Self-love is very pleasurable and satisfying but it eventually leads to frustration and misery for the simple reason that no one can replace God adequately. Yet his lust for power is so strong that Satan is prepared to pay the price even though he must realise that to worship oneself is to live in a fool’s paradise!
Love for God, Love for our neighbours and self love are all dealt with in our Ten commandments. The wordings are very precise, and if we analyse them, we should have no ambiguity as to what we should do to exist and live peacefully.

Our first love shall be for God, and all our first and best fruits shall be dedicated to Him.
Our second love shall be to ourselves and our neighbours- in equal measure.

Jesus taught: "
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind [Deuteronomy 6:5];
and your neighbor as yourself [Leviticus 19:18]

Love for self does not necessarily mean hatred to others or vice versa. Your neighbours have to exist for you to exist. A tailor can exist only if there is someone who sells him cloth, needle, thread, as well as customers who will buy stitched clothes from him.
Similarly, a soldier can be a soldier only if he has an enemy to fight against

In reply to a question “who is your neighbour?”, Jesus gave a parable, commonly called “The Parable of the Good Samaritan” (Luke 10:30-37).

Here are some versions of the parable as Jesus might tell them today:

The Parable of the Good Muslim
A Jew was going from Jerusalem to the Gaza Strip when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A rabbi happened to be going down the same road but, when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Muslim came where the man was and, when he saw him, he took pity on him. He gave the man first aid, dressing his wounds and stopping the bleeding. As soon as he was able to travel he took him to a nearby hospital. “Look after him,” he told, “and when I return I will pay for any extra expense you may have.”

The Parable of the Good American
A Sunni Muslim was traveling from Damascus to Baghdad when he was attacked by thieves. They stole his wallet and his watch, beat him and went on their way, leaving him half dead. An Iman happened to be going down the same road but, when he saw the man, passed by on the other side. So too a Shi’a Muslim passed by on the other side of the road, ignoring him. But an American saw the man and took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds. Then he put the man on the backseat of his SUV and, ignoring the blood that stained his seats, took him to the nearest hospital. The next day he took out money to pay for his hospitalization. “Look after him,” he told the hospital staff, “and when I return I will pay for any extra expense you may have.”

The Parable of the Good Biker
A businessman was going from Manhattan Island to Newark when he when he was mugged. He was robbed, beaten severely and left in the gutter, half dead. A Baptist preacher happened to be going down the same road but, when he saw the man, passed by on the other side. So too a Muslim passed by on the other side of the road, ignoring him. But a huge tattooed biker saw the man and took pity on him. He made him comfortable and called an ambulance. He then followed it to the hospital. “Look after him,” he told the hospital staff, “and when I return I will pay for any extra expense you may have.”
 
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