Does scripture interpret scripture?

[Patavium]

1voice,

Could you please open my eyes to my misunderstandings on Apostolic Tradition?

Help me friend, please refute Apostolic tradition

 

[1voice]

Writing “Jesus “jettisoned” your “sacred” tradition” does not make it true.

Be Blessed!.

I proved the point somewhere above… That which does not support the “Sacred Tradition” paradigm is ignored… or explained away as an anomaly by you folks.

Paul, the man chosen by Jesus to be one of the strongest forces in the world against darkness … was indued with power through the ministering of a man that had no special calling on his life other than to hear and obey Jesus … Same as the rest of us.

 

[Lochias]

I proved the point somewhere above…

Well, goodness, you’d better write the Pope and let him know, then. I bet he’d love to hear all about it.

Go on, go on.

We’ll be waiting here for you to post the response.

 

[Patavium]

I proved the point somewhere above… That which does not support the “Sacred Tradition” paradigm is ignored… or explained away as an anomaly by you folks.

Paul, the man chosen by Jesus to be one of the strongest forces in the world against darkness … was indued with power through the ministering of a man that had no special calling on his life other than to hear and obey Jesus … Same as the rest of us.

Friend, where did you show this??

Please don’t keep it to yourself

 

[1voice]

Do you know what “being fully Catholic” means? How come you be Roman Catholic, and disobey the Roman Catholic Church teachings?

Good question. I dont get how Catholics rationalize … either.

 

[Lochias]

Good question. I dont get how Catholics rationalize … either.

Yes, that much is rather painfully clear.

 

[1voice]

Friend, where did you show this??

Please don’t keep it to yourself

#289

 

[Patavium]

#289

I read it friend, it does not refute Apostolic tradition. In fact,
guanophore gave a good refutation to your arguments.

What part of Jesus taught the Apostles, and the Apostles established the Church, you don’t follow? and that all this happened without the bible? and later teachings and traditions were put together in the formal canon after several years and councils as the Bible. The bible itself is written tradition, and when you open the bible it clearly indicates the CHURCH is the authority. Thus, apostolic tradition and the bible, and the Church does not contradict each other.

I still need help to see what you see friend

 

[mackbrislawn]

Then my response to any poor believer who was stuck in such a position, which if often encountered, where the enemy will try to convince one there is no hope, would be to point them to the cross, where the love of God was shown, and tell them their fear is a demonstration they have a willingness to repent, that there is always hope for them, and that they display attitudes not in line with those who are either hypocrites or simply dismiss the gospel. They are truly seeking to love God. And trust in God in his sovereignty to act in their lives, with his love.

true believers in Calvinism make it seem like I believe in Calvins doctrines rather than believing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ for my salvation…
I’m sure many many believers of Christ have at some point felt unforgivable and condemned, but the gospel tells us to confess our sins, as He is faithful and just to forgive them.

Lincs

Lincs,
What you’re saying here could be said by any Catholic, and is traditional Christian teaching. Christ died for all, and his invitation applies to all.

But not for Calvin. Christ did not die for all, but only for the elect. For the non-elect, the reprobate, he did not die. For them there is no hope, because their fate is pre-determined. Believing the gospel or not is irrelevant.

Right?

…he [Luther] was part of the church and an expositor, he saw it as the duty of the church to engage in interpreting the scriptures for people, hence he did.

It is indeed the duty of the church to interpret the scriptures for people. But, I thought Luther’s idea was that the people could interpret scripture for themselves, without the church. “A ploughboy with a bible in his hand is equal to the pope in Rome.”

If the church is to interpret scripture, then the people don’t really need their own copies of scripture. We know that for centuries it was physically impossible for people to read their own scriptures, but they still had access to scripture by having it read to them in church.

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by 1voice
Good question. I dont get how Catholics rationalize … either.

Yes, that much is rather painfully clear.

It is very painful/ frustrating to watch.
The secularization of the Catholic Church appears as strong or stronger than any of the “Protestant” religions that the Catholics so vehemently claim to be above.

 

[Patavium]

Originally Posted by 1voice
Good question. I dont get how Catholics rationalize … either.

It is very painful/ frustrating to watch.
The secularization of the Catholic Church appears as strong or stronger than any of the “Protestant” religions that the Catholics so vehemently claim to be above.

Friend, it isn’t it clear that those who break away from the Catholic Church are not catholic? or are you going to claim that ** Calvin is catholic**?

 

[JaKael02]

Originally Posted by 1voice
Good question. I dont get how Catholics rationalize … either.

It is very painful/ frustrating to watch.
The secularization of the Catholic Church appears as strong or stronger than any of the “Protestant” religions that the Catholics so vehemently claim to be above.

1voice;

What is the #1 thing that irks you about the Catholic Church? Were you ever Catholic during your life or born/raised Protestant?

Thank you for considering my questions.

James

 

[1voice]

Friend, it isn’t it clear that those who break away from the Catholic Church are not catholic?

?

I havent mentioned anyone that broke away. The people that I mentioned are in perfectly good standing.

 

[Patavium]

I havent mentioned anyone that broke away. The people that I mentioned are in perfectly good standing.

Why do you choose to believe Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden, and not the Bishops and Pope of the Catholic Church?

 

[1voice]

1voice;

What is the #1 thing that irks you about the Catholic Church?

James

The fact that the Catholic Church will not draw a crystal clear line to make it absolutely unmistakable that leaders of politics have no standing in the Catholic Church when they openly/ boldly undermine the core values of Christianity.
Their lack of response for decades has gotten us to the point where, their own membership is shaking our entire Democratic Republic.

 

[JaKael02]

Personally, I find myself juding our politically leaders often. Examples being Nancy and Joe Biden. However, I also find myself never praying for our Political leaders but only Church leaders.

Who here actually prays consistently for our Political and Church leaders?

 

[Patavium]

The fact that the Catholic Church will not draw a crystal clear line to make it absolutely unmistakable that leaders of politics have no standing in the Catholic Church when they openly/ boldly undermine the core values of Christianity.
Their lack of response for decades has gotten us to the point where, their own membership is shaking our entire Democratic Republic.

There is a crystal clear line. The teachings of the Catholic Church. Look up the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

 

[1voice]

Why do you choose to believe Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden, and not the Bishops and Pope of the Catholic Church?

You’r asking the wrong person… I despise what they represent.

Ask the 54% of your own people who elected a man that stands against Christian truth.

 

[Patavium]

You’r asking the wrong person… I despise what they represent.

Ask the 54% of your own people who elected a man that stands against Christian truth.

Pardon me? 54% of what? I do not know where did you get this figure, and how do you affirm from it that those 54% are catholic?.

Be Blessed, 1voice.

 

[Patavium]

I would also like to point out that this thread is VERY OFF-TOPIC, and I recommend 1voice to open a new thread to discuss Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden. Let’s get back to 1voice’s (and others) refuting Apostolic Tradition.