Does Scripture show that Jesus is God?

[freesoulhope]

I made a post in the philosophy forum; I claimed that it is false to say that something is wrong if Moral law does not exist objectively in the real world; i also said that the Father the Son and the Holy spirit is the source of all good. A poster then reckoned that Jesus says that he is not all Good and that only God is worthy of such a title in “Marks Gospel”. I suspect that he is reading scripture out of context of the entire gospel to support his agenda; to my shame i am not knolegeble enough to challege his remark; however he does use scripture to back up his point.

Usually, when a Musilm or non-Christian makes an arguement agains’t Christs divinity based on philosphical speculations, I put it down to faith in scripture, since man cannot fathom all things of an eternal God. However, when somebody says that Jesus himself said that he wasn’t God, then what arguement do i have against that? I have to have some kind of reasonable reponse.

I know that some things are mysterys that we must except on faith; however, my challege for my Catholic Brother and Sisters, is to show me that scripture resonably and clearly shows that Jesus is God and that any apparent contradictions to Jesus’s divinity, is mearly due to misinterpretation or human ignorance.

Thank you for your time.

Peace and God bless.

Ps. Please post any links to free books and articles that are dedicated to scripture based proofs for Jesus’s Divinity.

 

[banjo]

I made a post in the philosophy forum; I claimed that it is false to say that something is wrong if Moral law does not exist objectively in the real world; i also said that the Father the Son and the Holy spirit is the source of all good. A poster then reckoned that Jesus says that he is not all Good and that only God is worthy of such a title in “Marks Gospel”. I suspect that he is reading scripture out of context of the entire gospel to support his agenda; to my shame i am not knolegeble enough to challege his remark; however he does use scripture to back up his point.

Usually, when a Musilm or non-Christian makes an arguement agains’t Christs divinity based on philosphical speculations, I put it down to faith in scripture, since man cannot fathom all things of an eternal God. However, when somebody says that Jesus himself said that he wasn’t God, then what arguement do i have against that? I have to have some kind of reasonable reponse.

I know that some things are mysterys that we must except on faith; however, my challege for my Catholic Brother and Sisters, is to show me that scripture resonably and clearly shows that Jesus is God and that any apparent contradictions to Jesus’s divinity, is mearly due to misinterpretation or human ignorance.

Thank you for your time.

Peace and God bless.

Ps. Please post any links to free books and articles that are dedicated to scripture based proofs for Jesus’s Divinity.

“As Mt 19:16 makes clear, the young man approaches Jesus as an acknowledged teacher of the spiritual life, in the hope that he will guide him towards eternal life. It is not that Christ rejects the praise he is offered: he wants to show the depth of the young man’s words: he is good, not because he is a good man but because he is God, who is goodness itself. So, the young man has spoken the truth, but he has not gone far enough. Hence the enigmatic nature of Jesus’ reply and it profundity. The young man’s approach is upright but too human; Jesus tries to get him to see things from an entirely supernatural point of view. If this man is to really attain eternal life he must see in Christ not just a good master but the divine Savior, the only Master, the only one who, because he is God, is goodness itself.”

Taken from The Navarre Bible commentary for Mk 10:17-18

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Mark indeed does have Jesus saying this at 10:17-19. In response to being called “good Master” by an unknown man, Jesus responds, “Why do you call me Good? No one is good but God alone.”

Now when this is repeated in Matthew at 19:16-17, the unknown man says Master and asks what “good” deed he must do to attain eternal life. Jesus answers: “Why do you ask me about what is Good. There is one alone who is good.”

This suggests to some that Mark was indeed the first Gospel, and Matthew seeing the theologically problem with Jesus separating himself from God, simply dropped a few words, and rearranged things a bit. Unfortunately Matthew’s version is fairly nonsensical in its final form.

Two things I can think of scripturally are where Thomas puts his hand in Jesus’ wounds and declares “My God and my Lord”

and John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

I can’t imagine any literalist getting around either of those.

 

[freesoulhope]

Hence the enigmatic nature of Jesus’ reply and it profundity. The young man’s approach is upright but too human; Jesus tries to get him to see things from an entirely supernatural point of view. If this man is to really attain eternal life he must see in Christ not just a good master but the divine Savior, the only Master, the only one who, because he is God, is goodness itself."

Taken from The Navarre Bible commentary for Mk 10:17-18

Ohh I seeee!; The young man was only seeing the humanity of Jesus and was worshiping the humanity of Jesus, rather then his Divine Savior.

Am i correct?

 

[Benadam]

Jesus claims to be Generated directly by God when He teaches that John the Baptist is the greatest man born of woman. He is saying that He is not born of Eve who’s children are generated by Adam. He is not of ‘this generation’ but is generated from an eternal source. No mere prophet ever claimed to not be decended from Adam.

Jesus claims that only He knows the father and only the Father knows Him. Knowing in this biblical sense is a union of likeness. Jesus emphasizes this when He teaches that to see Him is to see the Father. No mere prophet ever said this kind of thing.

Jesus asks the Father to glorify Him. The purpose of creation is to glorify God. No prophet ever asked God to glorify them.

Jesus claims power over life. I have the power to lay my life down I have the power to raise it up. Only God can claim power over life. No prophet ever claimed to have power over life.

John the Baptist teaches that Jesus is from Heaven and that what Jesus testifies to is what he see’s from there. John claims to be of the earth and to have words that are earthly,given that John is said to be the greatest man born of woman by Jesus the bible reveals that Jesus is not of the earth but of heaven. John teaches that Jesus is divine. No prophet had a prophet go before Him.

There are some that I can think of offhand.

 

[Crumpy]

OP: you would do well to get a copy of Jesus of Nazareth by His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI.

This book is worth the money. Fr. Benedict Groeschel and Dr. Scott Hahn, among others including myself, point out that this is the best book to come along in a generation, on the subject of Jesus and his theology.

Yes, indeed, Jesus is the fulfillment of prophecy and he proclaims himself to be God, not only in his words but in action and teaching.

This book is the first of two the Supreme Pontiff wants to publish on the subject. This is one that had enough material that he released it for publication, but he has enough material to discuss for another short volume, like this one.

Order it, as soon as you read this. Read it as soon as you get it. but take your time. the first 25-30 pages explain why Benedict wrote the book, and there’s a good reason. This book is a fight, and he is throwing punches at false biblical exegesis, but gently so, as a teacher would. You may want to have your bible at your side, but you don’t need it, in my opinion.

You might want to make a list of quotable statements he makes along the way, there are so many clearly stated ideas that you may want to keep track of.

 

[Benadam]

OP: you would do well to get a copy of Jesus of Nazareth by His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI.

Order it, as soon as you read this. Read it as soon as you get it.

Just a word of support to the OP. I ordered it two days ago I can hardly wait for it to arrive.

 

[thistle]

I made a post in the philosophy forum; I claimed that it is false to say that something is wrong if Moral law does not exist objectively in the real world; i also said that the Father the Son and the Holy spirit is the source of all good. A poster then reckoned that Jesus says that he is not all Good and that only God is worthy of such a title in “Marks Gospel”. I suspect that he is reading scripture out of context of the entire gospel to support his agenda; to my shame i am not knolegeble enough to challege his remark; however he does use scripture to back up his point.

Usually, when a Musilm or non-Christian makes an arguement agains’t Christs divinity based on philosphical speculations, I put it down to faith in scripture, since man cannot fathom all things of an eternal God. However, when somebody says that Jesus himself said that he wasn’t God, then what arguement do i have against that? I have to have some kind of reasonable reponse.

I know that some things are mysterys that we must except on faith; however, my challege for my Catholic Brother and Sisters, is to show me that scripture resonably and clearly shows that Jesus is God and that any apparent contradictions to Jesus’s divinity, is mearly due to misinterpretation or human ignorance.

Thank you for your time.

Peace and God bless.

Ps. Please post any links to free books and articles that are dedicated to scripture based proofs for Jesus’s Divinity.

You must be a real doubting Thomas always seeking proof of who Jesus is.
Scripture tells us very clearly and unambigously who he is:

John 1:1,14 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

John 10:30 The Father and I are one."

 

[Bubble]

Ohh I seeee!; The young man was only seeing the humanity of Jesus and was worshiping the humanity of Jesus, rather then his Divine Savior.

Am i correct?

No. Please read this passage.

Matthew 19

16 And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting? 17 Who said to him: Why asketh thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He said to him: Which? And Jesus said: Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness. 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 20 The young man saith to him: All these I have kept from my youth, what is yet wanting to me?

21 Jesus saith to him: If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me. 22 And when the young man had heard this word, he went away sad: for he had great possessions. 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples: Amen, I say to you, that a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you: It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. 25 And when they had heard this, the disciples wondered very much, saying: Who then can be saved?

Nowhere in this passage is the young man portrayed as worshipping the humanity of Jesus. The young man mistakenly views Jesus as a wise, but merely human teacher. He doesn’t understand that Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity – and God Himself.

Jesus follows this up with, **Matthew 19 **

17 If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments

Jesus was certainly not pointing out that He wasn’t good and didn’t have the answers, because He responds to the young man as the Good Master, by answering his questions about what good he should do to gain eternal life.

Jesus makes a point of the fact that the young man must turn to God to know what is truly good, and then Jesus immediately follows by answering the young man’s question about what good he must do to obtain eternal life. Here, Jesus is alluding to His own Divinity. He is drawing the dots, so to speak, and encouraging the young man (and everyone else) to connect them.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

I made a post in the philosophy forum; I claimed that it is false to say that something is wrong if Moral law does not exist objectively in the real world; i also said that the Father the Son and the Holy spirit is the source of all good. A poster then reckoned that Jesus says that he is not all Good and that only God is worthy of such a title in “Marks Gospel”. I suspect that he is reading scripture out of context of the entire gospel to support his agenda; to my shame i am not knolegeble enough to challege his remark; however he does use scripture to back up his point.

Usually, when a Musilm or non-Christian makes an arguement agains’t Christs divinity based on philosphical speculations, I put it down to faith in scripture, since man cannot fathom all things of an eternal God. However, when somebody says that Jesus himself said that he wasn’t God, then what arguement do i have against that? I have to have some kind of reasonable reponse.

I know that some things are mysterys that we must except on faith; however, my challege for my Catholic Brother and Sisters, is to show me that scripture resonably and clearly shows that Jesus is God and that any apparent contradictions to Jesus’s divinity, is mearly due to misinterpretation or human ignorance.

Thank you for your time.

Peace and God bless.

Ps. Please post any links to free books and articles that are dedicated to scripture based proofs for Jesus’s Divinity.

Those with eyes to see, will see - those withouteyes, will never believe that He is. No one can - until & less he is given grace to realise Who Jesus is. But it is the Spirit of God Who must open our eyes, & every day too - books *by themselves *are completely useless: we have to rely on God’s testimony - not man’s ​

• Isaiah 6
• Mark 4.11,12
• & Matthew 16.13 ff.
  show what is involved.

 

[FCEGM]

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I know that some things are mysterys that we must except on faith; however, my challege for my Catholic Brother and Sisters, is to show me that scripture resonably and clearly shows that Jesus is God and that any apparent contradictions to Jesus’s divinity, is mearly due to misinterpretation or human ignorance.

Thank you for your time.

Peace and God bless.

Ps. Please post any links to free books and articles that are dedicated to scripture based proofs for Jesus’s Divinity.

Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P., in his Our Savior and His Love for Us, presents a nice summation of the Lord’s own claims to divinity:

1. Jesus accepted adoration (Matt. 8:2; 28:9; Mark 5:6), of which Peter, Paul, and Barnabas - and even the angels in the Apocalypse - declared themselves unworthy.
2. He is superior to all creatures: greater than Jonas, than Solomon, than David, than Moses, than Elias, than John the Baptist; and He is superior to the angels, who are “His angels” (Matt. 24:31).
3. He demands with regard to Himself, faith, obedience, and love, even to the abnegation of any contrary affection and to the sacrifice of one’s life.
4. He spoke as the supreme Lawgiver, in the Sermon on the Mount.
5. He performed miracles in His own name.
6. He claimed the power to remit sins and has conferred this power on others.
7. He claimed the power to judge the living and the dead of all human generations.
8. He promised to send the Holy Ghost, and His promise was accomplished. Jesus can claim these rights and powers only if He is not merely God’s envoy, the Messiah, but God Himself. He affirmed His Godhead only in a veiled manner in order to prepare souls little by little to receive a more explicit affirmation, which was to become increasingly clear and powerful up to the moment of His condemnation to death.

Lastly, and most importantly, spend much quiet time with Him in front of the Tabernacle, and especially be present during Eucharistic Adoration. A humble heart seeking the truth will find Him and discover Him to be Who He Is.

Some helpful sites:

bringyou.to/apologetics/a50.htm

bringyou.to/apologetics/a5.htm

catholic-legate.com/articles/w-jesus1.htm

 

[banjo]

Ohh I seeee!; The young man was only seeing the humanity of Jesus and was worshiping the humanity of Jesus, rather then his Divine Savior.

Am i correct?

Are you correct? No… As I posted…"It is not that Christ rejects the praise he is offered: he wants to show the depth of the young man’s words: he is good, not because he is a good man but because he is God, who is goodness itself."

I fail to see how you conclude that the man’s reference to Jesus as “good teacher” is tantamount to worhip.The young man has spoken the truth, Jesus is good,… but Jesus wants him to see that he is not…" just a good master but the divine Savior, the only Master, the only one who, because he is God, is goodness itself."

Hence, he must see Jesus not with natural human eyes, but with the ‘eyes of faith’, if you will, which will give him…“an entirely supernatural point of view.”

 

[freesoulhope]

Are you correct? No… As I posted…"It is not that Christ rejects the praise he is offered: he wants to show the depth of the young man’s words: he is good, not because he is a good man but because he is God, who is goodness itself."

I fail to see how you conclude that the man’s reference to Jesus as “good teacher” is tantamount to worhip.The young man has spoken the truth, Jesus is good,… but Jesus wants him to see that he is not…" just a good master but the divine Savior, the only Master, the only one who, because he is God, is goodness itself."

Hence, he must see Jesus not with natural human eyes, but with the ‘eyes of faith’, if you will, which will give him…“an entirely supernatural point of view.”

I trully see now. God bless