Does Starbucks support Planned Parenthood?

[neophyte07]

I’m so glad that I came across this thread!! I was actually searching online for an hour trying to find out if Starbucks directly supported planned parenthood. Thanks for filling us all in!

Last night I asked my boyfriend to stop at a starbucks so I could get a hot chocolate (it was freezing out!) and so we went in. Well all of the sudden he remembered hearing something from a friend about starbucks being pro-abortion and before I could even order, he told me that it wasn’t a good idea and we left. I’m glad that I can inform him of my findings. I could most definately live without starbucks if the company did full out support planned parenthood, but I have to admit I’m sure happy that I will be able to get my starbucks fix today!

 

[setter]

If the company directly decides to support Planned Parenthood, then that would be a different situation. But, what I see on their website is direct support for other social and environmental causes.

There was a time when evil was evil and good was good, and folks knew the difference. Nowadays, god willed folks make the distinction between direct promotion for an evil and indirect promotion for an evil; and too boot point the finger to all the other benign and positive “social and environmental causes” that this corporation supports, as if this somehow mitigates the company’s promotion of evil. How the battle lines have been blurred …and we are not talking “Happy Holidays” versus “Happy Christmas”.

 

[willy]

I think this gives reason enough not to support Starbucks…

Concerned Women for America (CWA) pulled the lid off Starbucks leftist corporate ideology a couple of years ago and stirred up controversy by pointing out that Starbucks had sponsored multiple “gay pride” events and had given monetary support to ultra-liberal abortion provider Planned Parenthood. For a while, the company seemed to back off a bit with the liberal activism, but they now appear to be warming things up again.

• “Starbucks leftist corporate ideology”— It comes from the top. I think thats reason to assume they are directly supporting many anti-catholic Truths.

cwfa.org/articles/13029/CFI/family/index.htm

 

[S_V7]

Oh Darn! I can’t buy Nikes or Reeboks any more, can’t fill up at a BP or Amoco or Mobil station, I have to throw out my iPod and cancel my iTunes and not buy the Mac I was thinking about, get rid of my HP printer, remove Microsoft programs from my computer, I can’t drink Pepsi or eat Kellogg’s cereals, I have to close my Bank of America and AmEx credit cards, insist to my docs not to use Pfizer drugs, never shop at a Ben Franklin or Radio Shack or REI store, get rid of my GE microwave and toaster oven, cancel my long term care insurance because it’s from John Hancock, and close out my Charles Schwab investing account…

wait, this is getting to be too much.

And that’s the Columbia/Willamette PP. I don’t live there. Oh well, that’s a relief. I don’t have to make all these drastic changes.

One think I noticed: Mercy Corps! Doesn’t John Michael Talbot raise money for them at his concerts? And a bunch of other Christian musicians too? :bigyikes: Yikes, I’ve donated to them before. Never again.

I wonder, when should a line be drawn? I can live without itunes and starbucks, but apperently myspace is in on this whole horrific thing

The widely popular TV program “American Idol” is raising funds that will be funneled to organizations that support abortion and failed safe-sex programs. Through their “Idol Gives Back” efforts, dollars will be sent to sent to UNICEF and Save the Children, two organizations that promote killing children via abortion internationally.

Other notable “Idol Gives Back” partners include iTunes and Myspace.

(bold added by me) rockforlifecc.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=10

and since it’s one of the ways i contact friends, it would be a bit harder too let go.

Then again, aren’t these things replacable conveniances? Even a penny donated to pp is far too much and doing so would weigh too heavily on my conscience.

And what about that Mercy Corps?? Don’t they run thehungersite, childhealthsite etc… I click on those daily

 

[setter]

I think sometimes people go a little overboard in their zeal to combat evil.

This is a bizarre statement coming from any devouted Chrisitian. How can one ever be overzealous in battling evil, especially in today’s society which is pervasive in its promotion, enticement and normalization, and outright mocking of God and His Body the Church. The problem is that not enough good willed folks are not outspoken, do not take a clear stand against evil, for fear of being perceived and labelled fanatical, i.e., “overboard in their zeal”. If more folks took a direct stand against evil in their sphere of influence, then society might again begin to understand and believe that evil exists

I’m not sure “hoax” would be the right term, but to target companies who match their employee’s, or “partners” as Starbucks calls them , giving to charitable causes is misguided IMHO. Charitable giving should always be encouraged, and I think it is great that some companies offer matching funds. I wish my company did!

Taking your logic to its practical conclusion, then as a Catholic you would be delighted if your company inaugurated Planned Parenthood as the first organization to launch their company program of matching funds? …Because the higher value that you suscribe to is “giving to charitable causes”, regardless of God’s natural and revealed moral law. Did I get that right?

If you want to boycott companies, boycott obvious, direct funding of Planned Parenthood, not indirect funding through the choice of individuals who work for the company.

Why??? …is indirect evil somehow exempt from the radar of Christian concerns to battle evil? This recommendation sounds arbitrary and superficial and frankly you sound duped, as in the frog being slowly cooked in the kettle of water. You seem to be missing that 1) The company is directly funding PP through matching funds, and 2) The company is supplying (and enticing) the mechanism for individual employees to directly fund evil.

 

[setter]

I’m so glad that I came across this thread!! I was actually searching online for an hour trying to find out if Starbucks directly supported planned parenthood. Thanks for filling us all in!

Last night I asked my boyfriend to stop at a starbucks so I could get a hot chocolate (it was freezing out!) and so we went in. Well all of the sudden he remembered hearing something from a friend about starbucks being pro-abortion and before I could even order, he told me that it wasn’t a good idea and we left. I’m glad that I can inform him of my findings. I could most definately live without starbucks if the company did full out support planned parenthood, but I have to admit I’m sure happy that I will be able to get my starbucks fix today!

Elation over what? …that Starbucks only “indirectly” supports and promotes the evil of abortion. So, if a company supplies the firearm, i.e., the program mechanism, and even goes so far as to match donated bullets, i.e., matching funds, then they are free of moral scrutity or culpability when these bullets find their mark and kill an unborn child?

I would not feel so excited or good about my next cup of Starbucks coffee in all good Catholic conscience, IMHO.

 

[setter]

My critical thinking is fine, thank you…perhaps you ought to reassess yours. The company, rightly, allows their employees to give to whomever they decide they want to support. ** It is called freedom…generally considered to be a good value.**

This could have straight out of the constitution of Planned Parenthood (or any other pro-abortion organization). Freedom divorced from truth is tyranny and oppression, of the one enslaved to a the lie and the victims of the lie. You need to reassess your ideas of what true freedom is, i.e., true freedom can only be based on acceptance of and living out the truth – give this some thought in your logic analysis.

I’m guessing the criteria is that it is a 501c organization. As I said, the company is also “facilitating funding opportunities” for pro-life activities. IOW the company’s efforts are neutral, not evil.

How can a “company’s efforts” be “neutral” when the end result of those efforts is the promotion of evil? I am not sure what moral universe that you live in, but evil is evil is evil, no matter if looking face to face or through the reflection in a mirror.

I will take my lead from St. Paul:

“Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not associate with them, for once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.” Ephesians 5: 6-11

 

[goofyjim]

This could have straight out of the constitution of Planned Parenthood (or any other pro-abortion organization). Freedom divorced from truth is tyranny and oppression, of the one enslaved to a the lie and the victims of the lie. You need to reassess your ideas of what true freedom is, i.e., true freedom can only be based on acceptance of and living out the truth – give this some thought in your logic analysis.

How can a “company’s efforts” be “neutral” when the end result of those efforts is the promotion of evil? I am not sure what moral universe that you live in, but evil is evil is evil, no matter if looking face to face or through the reflection in a mirror.

I will take my lead from St. Paul:

“Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not associate with them, for once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.” Ephesians 5: 6-11

And did you pick up from this thread that we are not allowed to buy Apple computers or Microsoft products? Golly, maybe we shouldn’t have computers at all and therefore could not discuss this issue in these forums. In a roundabout way even Catholic Answers is supporting Planned Parenthood, albeit very remotely. No, we don’t need to be concerned with boycotting every company that matches contributions and indirectly sends money their way. We should target our efforts on those who goabove and beyond that making it a policy to oppose life completely. I will still buy itunes for my ipod, still purchase products at RadioShack, etc, etc, etc.

 

[ribozyme]

I wonder, when should a line be drawn? I can live without itunes and starbucks, but apperently myspace is in on this whole horrific thing

(bold added by me) rockforlifecc.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=10

I doubt those with renal cell carcinoma cannot live without sunitinib, but those who are on atorvastatin can go on simvastatin or rosuvastatin (and many others I did not mention in the vogue statin class), and for HIV patients whose protease inhibitors and reverse transcriptase inhibitors failed, they shouldn’t take a chemokine receptor antagonist such as maraviroc, but an integrase inhibitor (raltegravir) and they can wait for vicriviroc to be released if the integrase inhibitor fails (unfortuantely, it can fail as several mutations are found that endow integrase with resistance to the two available drugs (elvitegravir, the other one, is in clinical trials) in the integrase inhibitor class).

It also makes you wonder what would dyslipidemic Catholics would do if torcetrapib was actually effective and didn’t kill people.

I think it is possible for most patients (not all with my example of RCC) to live without Pfizer in their lives. (Pfizer has a broad portfolio so I did not cover all the possible examples. Yes, that means no sildenafil; no need to discuss what that does) Of course, sunitinib, atorvastatin, and maraviroc are manufactured by Pfizer and are patent protected. Also, I wonder if Merck (raltegravir) and AstraZeneca (rosuvastatin) support Planned Parenthood.

And you might infer that I am a communist by my above post; everything belongs to everyone. No, Selzentry, Lipitor, and Sutent are evil names because they embody the evil private property that Marx railed against. Let’s use the international non-propriety names instead. (joking of course)

 

[DanteAlighieri]

Interesting that as a staunch pro-life Catholic (can I assume this?) that one doesn’t see a problem for a national company to offer matching funds to PP. Your post all but seems to ignore the fact that the only reason “It is unfortunate that some of their employees choose Planned Parenthood” is solely because the company is facilitating funding opportunuties for such evil activity. I suggest that you reassess your critical thinking.

The company offers matching donations as an employee benefit. Can you imagine the stink (not to mention the lawsuits) that would arise if they picked and chose which charities they were willing to include? They’d have to eliminate the program entirely – thus, not even morally acceptable charities would receive the benefits of this program.

Again, boycotting Starbucks for this reason would have no impact on whether the employees chose to donate to PP.

Peace,
Dante

 

[Alexius]

The company offers matching donations as an employee benefit. Can you imagine the stink (not to mention the lawsuits) that would arise if they picked and chose which charities they were willing to include? They’d have to eliminate the program entirely – thus, not even morally acceptable charities would receive the benefits of this program.

Again, boycotting Starbucks for this reason would have no impact on whether the employees chose to donate to PP.

Peace,
Dante

Neither would continuing to go there for that matter…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

 

[rlg94086]

This is a bizarre statement coming from any devouted Chrisitian. How can one ever be overzealous in battling evil, especially in today’s society which is pervasive in its promotion, enticement and normalization, and outright mocking of God and His Body the Church. The problem is that not enough good willed folks are not outspoken, do not take a clear stand against evil, for fear of being perceived and labelled fanatical, i.e., “overboard in their zeal”. If more folks took a direct stand against evil in their sphere of influence, then society might again begin to understand and believe that evil exists

**Taking your logic to its practical conclusion, then as a Catholic you would be delighted if your company inaugurated Planned Parenthood as the first organization to launch their company program of matching funds? **…Because the higher value that you suscribe to is “giving to charitable causes”, regardless of God’s natural and revealed moral law. Did I get that right?

Why??? …is indirect evil somehow exempt from the radar of Christian concerns to battle evil? This recommendation sounds arbitrary and superficial and frankly you sound duped, as in the frog being slowly cooked in the kettle of water. You seem to be missing that 1) The company is directly funding PP through matching funds, and 2) The company is supplying (and enticing) the mechanism for individual employees to directly fund evil.

What in inane statement. Did Starbucks “inaugurate” their program with Planned Parenthood? If so, please post some evidence. By your extremely twisted logic, democracy is evil because it allows people to choose evil. By your logic, the company should not encourage any charitable giving by its employees.

 

[setter]

What in inane statement. Did Starbucks “inaugurate” their program with Planned Parenthood? If so, please post some evidence. By your extremely twisted logic, democracy is evil because it allows people to choose evil. By your logic, the company should not encourage any charitable giving by its employees.

My only response is the suggestion that youy slowly, thoughtfully and with an open mind reread my post as you have all but missed the mark of my argument points.

 

[S_V7]

Something unsettling that occured to me relevent to this. I posted it on another thread similar to this one.

Participation in an abortion means excommunication right?

So wouldn’t using products from pp supporting companies in someway fullfill that? It would indirectly pay for abortions, wouldn’t it?

I know this sounds far off but does it not have some truth? Please correct me if I’m wrong

A fast response would be great, this is really starting to bother.

 

[goofyjim]

Something unsettling that occured to me relevent to this. I posted it on another thread similar to this one.

Participation in an abortion means excommunication right?

So wouldn’t using products from pp supporting companies in someway fullfill that? It would indirectly pay for abortions, wouldn’t it?

I know this sounds far off but does it not have some truth? Please correct me if I’m wrong

A fast response would be great, this is really starting to bother.

Don’t worry. That’s what this whole thread is discussing and if your concerns were well founded we would all have to excommunicate ourselves for using the internet with Microsoft software, or many other like examples. The ones that are guilty though are the individuals who contribute directly to planned parenthood, not the customers of Starbucks, or itunes , or Radioshack, et al.

 

[ABostonCatholic]

Neither would continuing to go there for that matter…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

So perhaps we ought to only grow our own food, build our own houses, etc. lest we give to a company who pays the salary of someone who supports planned parenthood.

 

[Alexius]

So perhaps we ought to only grow our own food, build our own houses, etc. lest we give to a company who pays the salary of someone who supports planned parenthood.

I was merely pointing out that this could go both ways, and in a joking manner, hence the

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

 

[ABostonCatholic]

I was merely pointing out that this could go both ways, and in a joking manner, hence the

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

As was I, hence the

I respect the notion of boycotting companies that overtly make donations to Planned Parenthood, but sometimes we can take it too far.

 

[Alexius]

As was I, hence the

I respect the notion of boycotting companies that overtly make donations to Planned Parenthood, but sometimes we can take it too far.

Oh, sorry I thought it was meant as an insult…It can go overboard at times. In reality, even if people boycott Starbucks, they will continue to make a profit. I think more people who go to Starbucks would be offended if Starbucks banned donations to PP, then if they continued to allow it (no offense, but most tend to be young, metropolitan, liberal, and middle to upper class)…If one wanted to boycott based on principles and morals, then I think that is great! I encourage it!

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

 

[Bella3502]

In the context and flow of this thread, I am always suprised and disappointed that any established forum member [BIG number of post] would offer a snide comment that associates an immoral company endeavor with one’s personal piety, especially reception of the Eucharist. Where has respect and the sense shame gone?

Am having a cup of Starbucks right now… Yum!!!