Does the bible have any Infant Baptism passage?

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Dear ChurchMilitant: Thank you for that excellent post. Nicely put.🙂

Dear Spokenword: Do you think the water referred to in John 3 is the water from the placenta? Also, I have noticed that many non-Catholics who insist that baptism is not necessary for salvation use the Thief on the Cross as an example to underscore their point. However, isn’t it correct to say that the thief on the cross still died under the Old Covenant and NOT under the New Covenant since Christ’s salvific work has not yet been finished at this point? Therefore, the economy of salvation as it is applied to the thief is completely different from the economy of salvation now that our salvation is completed by Christ’s dying, resurrection, and ascencion.

In Faith,
Fiat
 
Church Militant:
NOPE…but the fact is that Jesus wanted those infants to be brought to him. You border on legalism w/ the way you insist on such a rigid interpretation of your Bible verses. You better go back and see how Jesus himself and the apostles quoted scripture about the messiah…most of that doesn’t expressly SAY it applies to the messiah…we only know that in retrospect and because it was pointed out to us by Jesus and the writers of the NT.

Since circumcision is a TYPE ( a foreshadowing) of baptism, then it holds true that infants should partake. Just as Jews make a commitment to raise their children in their faith , so also do Christians. (Don’ EVEN dodge the issue with those cracks about "What about the girls? You know better…to follow THAT line one would say that salvation is for males only…which is patently not the case.) The fact that the infant cannot make a profession of faith does not invalidate his entrance into Judaism…so also among Catholics (and Christians). Most non-Catholics don’t even consider baptism necessary for salvation! Do you? There is a very strong Biblical case for the necessity of baptism. The Catholic Church has the only viable answer to this issue (IMO).
Baptism of desire-St. Dismas (the good thief on the cross)
Baptism of blood-Martyrs who died for their faith before being baptised in water, (Would this possibly be grounds for he NT verse that speaks of baptism for the dead, maybe? A practice that St. Paul acknowleges but does not comment on.)
Then of course, Baptism of water.
To my mind no other church has a doctrine on baptism that is even nearly as scriptural as the Catholic Church. :clapping: :dancing: :yup: :bounce:
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To me water Baptism is symbolic of washing our sins away[repentence].Water is not what saves us . Its the blood of Jesus Christ that saves us. For you to deny that we are not saved by his blood is to deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There are many examples in scripture that shows people recieved the Holy Spirit [Baptism of the Holy Spirit]before they were baptised by water.There are also examples of people who were baptised by water[Johns Baptism] but hadnt recieved Baptism of the Holy Spirit. God bless.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
To me water Baptism is symbolic of washing our sins away[repentence].Water is not what saves us . Its the blood of Jesus Christ that saves us. For you to deny that we are not saved by his blood is to deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There are many examples in scripture that shows people recieved the Holy Spirit [Baptism of the Holy Spirit]before they were baptised by water.There are also examples of people who were baptised by water[Johns Baptism] but hadnt recieved Baptism of the Holy Spirit. God bless.
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Even before the time of John the Baptist Jewish people would symbolicly baptise themselves… John the Baptist came along and baptised symbolically for repentence, his was the first to Baptise other people… John the Baptist mentions that Jesus would come and baptism would not be the same that Jesus and his baptism will be of the Holy Spirit and fire… (Mt 3:11) It is the Holy Spirit that moves through our sacraments… It is not about what our Church teaches the Church teaches nothing… It is the Holy Spirit that teaches through the Church which is an instrument.

You are right though, your churchs baptisims are symbolic, your communion is also… Ours is not, like I said before the Holy Spirit is the reason key component in all of our sacraments. God bless.
 
Spokenword,

Do you think the Early Church in 200AD had fallen into false teaching since they taught infant, regenerative baptism?

God Bless,
Maria
Sorry for posting the same question again, but I know how easy it is to “lose” posts and not see them. And I really want to know what you think:)
 
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Fiat:
Dear ChurchMilitant: Thank you for that excellent post. Nicely put.🙂

Dear Spokenword: Do you think the water referred to in John 3 is the water from the placenta? Also, I have noticed that many non-Catholics who insist that baptism is not necessary for salvation use the Thief on the Cross as an example to underscore their point. However, isn’t it correct to say that the thief on the cross still died under the Old Covenant and NOT under the New Covenant since Christ’s salvific work has not yet been finished at this point? Therefore, the economy of salvation as it is applied to the thief is completely different from the economy of salvation now that our salvation is completed by Christ’s dying, resurrection, and ascencion.

In Faith,
Fiat
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Hi Fiat.Yes ,I do believe the reading in John. 3 refers to the natural birth,being born again of water and spirit. Flesh begets flesh, and the spirit begets spirit [John 3. vs 5&6].Now that water could have 2 meanings. One, natural birth for if you are not born you would not exist[wouldnt be an issue]. Jesus Baptism in the Holy spirit also meant that one had to recieve LIVING waters that flowed from Jesus to draw from and also the Holy Spirit.Thus Water and Spirit to enter into the kingdom of heaven. God Bless.
 
Dear SPOKENWORD:

I guess I’m still a little unclear on what you’re thinking is. Perhaps my question wasn’t very clear. Do you think the water in John 3 that Jesus refers to is only the water from natural child birth? Or do you think that Jesus is only using the word “water” symbolically, so that in effect, He isn’t really talking about physical water at all?

In faith,
Fiat
 
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MariaG:
Spokenword,

Do you think the Early Church in 200AD had fallen into false teaching since they taught infant, regenerative baptism?

God Bless,
Maria
Sorry for posting the same question again, but I know how easy it is to “lose” posts and not see them. And I really want to know what you think:)
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I really dont see it as error but only that it really isnt necessaary at this stage. Personally I believe that babys are under Gods grace and protection.For they are not responsible for their actions for they do not have a free will. Now if one does baptise a infant I see no harm done. The only thing that saves a baby is Gods mercy and love.for He would not let one of these little ones perish. Only when this child developes its free Will is when God is going to hold this child accountable. Should this infant die before accountabilty then we know that this baby is Gods arms. God Bless.
 
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Fiat:
Dear SPOKENWORD:

I guess I’m still a little unclear on what you’re thinking is. Perhaps my question wasn’t very clear. Do you think the water in John 3 that Jesus refers to is only the water from natural child birth? Or do you think that Jesus is only using the word “water” symbolically, so that in effect, He isn’t really talking about physical water at all?

In faith,
Fiat
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There are a lot of things that remain unclear to us. Like I said this could have a double meaning and both be right. Of course I believe Jesus was speaking spiritually. Jesus was the living water and the Holy Spirit. So to be born again you would have to recieve living water and His spirit. Nicodemos took it physically because that was his understanding.God Bless
 
Dear SPOKENWORD:
According to your line of thinking, how does one receive the Living Water?

In faith,
Fiat
 
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Fiat:
Dear SPOKENWORD:
According to your line of thinking, how does one receive the Living Water?

In faith,
Fiat
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By drawing from His Spirit and recieving His Word. God Bless
 
Dear SPOKENWORD:

Can you be a little more specific. According to your beliefs, how does one “draw from the spirit.”
In faith,
Fiat
 
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Fiat:
Dear SPOKENWORD:

Can you be a little more specific. According to your beliefs, how does one “draw from the spirit.”
In faith,
Fiat
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Hi Fiat, I really dont know why you are having trouble understanding what Im saying. Maybe this is revelation Truth and you have not experienced or recieved it yet. How did the women at the well recieve the living water? Maybe Jesus was pouring it out from His Word and His Spirit.? :confused: God Bless.P/S I know that you are a very mature Christian and I understand your trend of thought. 😉
 
Church Militant:
NOPE…but the fact is that Jesus wanted those infants to be brought to him. You border on legalism w/ the way you insist on such a rigid interpretation of your Bible verses. You better go back and see how Jesus himself and the apostles quoted scripture about the messiah…most of that doesn’t expressly SAY it applies to the messiah…we only know that in retrospect and because it was pointed out to us by Jesus and the writers of the NT.
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Actually, SpokenWord is speaking of baptism as spiritual and you are insisting on a physical, strict interpretation of the Bible passage.

Jesus didn’t want the children from being hindered from coming to him because He loved them - He loved them. To deduce from this that He teaches infant baptism is an error.
 
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Catholic4aReasn:
Hi SPOKENWORD! 👋

I agree.

Where do you believe that scripture teaches that one is made a new creation at the moment that one receives Jesus as Lord and Savior?

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
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2 Corinthians 5:17
  1. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Thought this would help though it wasn’t directed to me.
 
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RNRobert:
I think non-Catholics who oppose infant baptism fail to understand two things:

  1. ]To many non-Catholics, baptism is merely a symbol, nothing more than some sort of public ritual demonstrating one’s acceptance of Christ. To the Catholic it is much more. Not only does it remove the stain of Original Sin, it provides real grace. Who would want to deny that to their children?
    ]In the Gospels, many times Jesus healed someone not through the faith of the sick person, but     through the faith** **of someone else **asking on their behalf. Examples: The centurion asking for the healing of his servant, the Syro-Phonecian woman asking for healing on her daughters’s behalf; and obviously the raising of Lazarus and Jairus’ daughter from the dead were made possible through the faith of loved ones. So it is with Baptism. The gift of grace is made through the faith of the child’s parents or other loved ones.
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  1. No. 2 shouldn’t apply here. Healing that took place here is physical only. There is no regenerative properties for the “whole man” here - only the material man.
 
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AmyS:
What age do you think people should be baptized?
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This is a Catholic view that doesn’t exist in the protestant mind. It is a question based on that supposition that there is a specific age that God requires or expects.

God has not instituted such an age and neither should we. Of course, the Catholic would argue they are the church formed by Christ, etc. etc. etc.

One should be baptized after they believe in Christ and accept Him into their lives.

John 1:12
  1. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
It is by belief that we become children of God, not become children of God then believe.
 
Dear Ahimsaman72:

Regarding healing based on the faith of others, you overlooked Mark 2:1-6. Jesus sees the faith of those who brought the paralytic man to Him, and Jesus not only PHYSICALLY healed the paralytic, but He also SPIRITUALLY HEALED HIM, saying in Mark 2:10: “Child, your sins are forgiven.”

In Jesus and Mary,
Fiat
 
Dear SPOKENWORD:

Your notion of salvation is that we need to receive Jesus. Can you explain to someone who is not a Christian what he needs to do in order to “receive Jesus”? I’m not trying to trap you, I’m just trying to understand what your notion of salvation is, exactly.

Your brother,
Fiat
 
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ahimsaman72:
This is a Catholic view that doesn’t exist in the protestant mind. It is a question based on that supposition that there is a specific age that God requires or expects.

God has not instituted such an age and neither should we. Of course, the Catholic would argue they are the church formed by Christ, etc. etc. etc.

One should be baptized after they believe in Christ and accept Him into their lives.

John 1:12
  1. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
It is by belief that we become children of God, not become children of God then believe.
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Well, there is an age where Protestants obviously believe that a child should NOT be baptised so it was more than a fair question… Also, Protestants view baptisim differently than Catholics do… What, I don’t get is the need of Protestants to tell Catholics they believe they are wrong… It is like I told spokenword:
You are right though, your churchs baptisims are symbolic, your communion is also… Ours is not, like I said before the Holy Spirit is the reason key component in all of our sacraments. God bless.
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We have something you don’t… Let’s focus a little more on what we have in common… God bless! 🙂
 
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ahimsaman72:
This is a Catholic view that doesn’t exist in the protestant mind. It is a question based on that supposition that there is a specific age that God requires or expects.
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ahimsaman72 – I recall a friend in my youth telling me that his pastor would not allow him to be baptized (don’t remember the denomination) when he was around 9 because he was “too young.”
 
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