Does the catholic church accept the orthodox churches real presence?

[stphilipneri]

Does the catholic church accept the orthodox churches real presence? or does the catholic church say that the orthodox don’t have the same valid orders like they do the Anglican church?

 

[Hatikvah]

The answer for Catholics is simple:

The Orthodox churches have valid holy orders while the Episcopal church does not; therefore, the Eucharist confected in the Orthodox churches is valid, but this is not the case in Episcopalian churches. [SOURCE]

 

[PaulfromIowa]

Yes, the Catholic Church has always accepted and taught that the Orthodox Churches have valid Holy Orders and all seven sacraments.

We should all pray for re-communion between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

 

[Dorothy]

Does the catholic church accept the orthodox churches real presence? or does the catholic church say that the orthodox don’t have the same valid orders like they do the Anglican church?

Yes we do accept the Real Presence of the Orthodox. Their priests were ordained by the laying on of hands by their bishop.

 

[Regina7]

Yes we do accept the Real Presence of the Orthodox. Their priests were ordained by the laying on of hands by their bishop.

But how do their bishops become bishops if they don’t recognize the pope?

 

[RyanBlack]

But how do their bishops become bishops if they don’t recognize the pope?

They become bishops through ordination by a validly ordained bishop, just like Catholic bishops. The fact that Orthodox bishops are not in communion with Rome doesn’t affect the validly of their Holy Orders.

 

[Expatreprocedit]

But how do their bishops become bishops if they don’t recognize the pope?

Orthodox bishops recognize the Bishop of Rome as a fellow bishop, as the Patriarch of Rome and the West, and as the first among equals.

 

[7_Sorrows]

are Catholics able to receive the Eucharist at an Orthodox church to meet Sunday obligation?

 

[adamhovey1988]

are Catholics able to receive the Eucharist at an Orthodox church to meet Sunday obligation?

I ask this very question on Ask an Apologist. If you can find it, it gives the answer. I can’t find it.

 

[Regina7]

Orthodox bishops recognize the Bishop of Rome as a fellow bishop, as the Patriarch of Rome and the West, and as the first among equals.

But doesn’t the pope have to install bishops? How do their bishops become bishops? It’s not through our pope I assume?

 

[twf]

But doesn’t the pope have to install bishops? How do their bishops become bishops? It’s not through our pope I assume?

No.
It’s only in very recent times that the Pope has directly appointed the majority of the world’s bishops. Even as recently as a couple centuries ago many bishops were appointed by the local King or Prince. Even today Eastern Catholic bishops of Churches of patriarchal rank, in full communion with Rome, are elected by the synod, not appointed by the pope. The office of bishop has always been passed down through the laying on of hands - from bishop to bishop going back to the apostles. The validity of apostolic succession is not dependent upon the pope. Current Catholic canon law requires a papal mandate prior to ordaining a priest a bishop, but this is simply a matter of Church law- not divine law.

 

[prodromos]

Orthodox bishops recognize the Bishop of Rome as a fellow bishop, as the Patriarch of Rome and the West, and as the first among equals.

Prior to the schism, yes. Since the schism, no.

 

[PaulfromIowa]

are Catholics able to receive the Eucharist at an Orthodox church to meet Sunday obligation?

You ask two different questions:

1. Can Catholics receive the Eucharist in an Orthodox Church? The Catholic Church does allow this in certain situations. Many/most Orthodox Churches would only allow it in extreme situations, so Catholics should always ask the priest’s permission in advance.
2. Does attendance at an Orthodox Divine Liturgy fulfill a Catholic’s Sunday obligation? The answer is no. Catholics are obliged to attend a Sunday liturgy “in a Catholic rite”, if possible, they are not obliged to receive the Eucharist each Sunday.

Canon 844:

Can. 844 §1. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone, without prejudice to the prescripts of §§2, 3, and 4 of this canon, and ⇒ can. 861, §2.

§2. Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.

 

[Expatreprocedit]

Prior to the schism, yes. Since the schism, no.

The Bishop of Rome is still recognized as the Bishop of Rome, and the Patriarch of the West (although Rome has recently rejected that title). If he weren’t there would be a rival Bishop of Rome. There isn’t.

 

[rcwitness]

Orthodox bishops recognize the Bishop of Rome as a fellow bishop, as the Patriarch of Rome and the West, and as the first among equals.

Prior to the schism, yes. Since the schism, no.

The Bishop of Rome is still recognized as the Bishop of Rome, and the Patriarch of the West (although Rome has recently rejected that title). If he weren’t there would be a rival Bishop of Rome. There isn’t.

Hopefully you can work this out, I’m curious about it. We know the Catholic Church recognizes valid orders of Orthodox clergy and Sacrameents. What does the Orthodox faith believe and profess about the Catholic Orders and Sacraments?

 

[Hatikvah]

Hopefully you can work this out, I’m curious about it. We know the Catholic Church recognizes valid orders of Orthodox clergy and Sacrameents. What does the Orthodox faith believe and profess about the Catholic Orders and Sacraments?

There are differing views among individuals:

Concerning the Eucharist: Many Orthodox Christians do view the Roman Catholic Eucharist as the Body and Blood of Christ; others today would not subscribe to this. The answer is linked to whether one believes that Roman Catholicism is “with grace” or “devoid of grace.”

Catholicism can even be viewed as heresy among Eastern Orthodoxy practitioners:

Orthodox Christianity in general would view certain aspects of Roman Catholic teaching as heretical. The filioque is the classic example of this…

This is a good source on how the Eastern Orthodox view Catholic Orders; it goes by sections (titles are within paragraphs at the beginning): oca.org/questions/romancatholicism/validity-of-roman-catholic-orders

The “two lung” theory of some popes is controversial, so obviously it can face rejection:

Orthodox Christianity has not reached a consensus on the Balamand statement, in part because not all of the world’s Orthodox Churches participated in the gathering, and in part because controversy has risen over the “sister church” or “two lung” theory. While there are some Orthodox who would perhaps ascribe to these notions, it is my understanding that Orthodoxy is the Church, not half or part of it.

(The website, for the most part, is written by an ordained priest and sometimes by other clergy.)

 

[rcwitness]

There are differing views among individuals:

Catholicism can even be viewed as heresy among Eastern Orthodoxy practitioners:

This is a good source on how the Eastern Orthodox view Catholic Orders; it goes by sections (titles are within paragraphs at the beginning): oca.org/questions/romancatholicism/validity-of-roman-catholic-orders

The “two lung” theory of some popes is controversial, so obviously it can face rejection:

(The website, for the most part, is written by an ordained priest and sometimes by other clergy.)

Thanks so much for that research! Particularly by joining the two Orthodox gentlemen

 

[Expatreprocedit]

Hopefully you can work this out, I’m curious about it. We know the Catholic Church recognizes valid orders of Orthodox clergy and Sacrameents. What does the Orthodox faith believe and profess about the Catholic Orders and Sacraments?

I don’t know if Podromos I will “work it out” or not. Orthodox Christians do not agree among themselves often, just as Catholic Christians.

But I can tell you the generally accepted “line” in Orthodoxy re: the Catholic orders and sacraments: “we don’t know”. The common saying in the Orthodox Church is that “we know where grace is (the Orthodox Church), but we don’t know where it isn’t”. Again, there is much disagreement among individual Ortho Christians, often depending on where they are located and what their ethnicity is. If you go to a village in Russia or in Serbia, or to Mt. Athos, their answer may very well be that they don’t believe the Catholic sacraments are efficacious. They might have some even less charitable things to say. So much of the attitude towards other churches is the result of history and culture, as it is in Catholic areas.

For myself, having been a practicing adult Catholic for 25 years, I have no doubt that the Catholic sacraments are efficacious (if received worthily) and that grace exists in the Catholic Church. A lot of Orthodox would agree with me.

 

[alwayswill]

Yes we do accept the Real Presence of the Orthodox. Their priests were ordained by the laying on of hands by their bishop.

Anglicanism
… The laying on of hands is also performed in the sacrament of Holy Orders and is the means by which one is included in one of the three ordained orders of the church: bishop, priest, or deacon. Ordination can be administered only by a bishop in Apostolic Succession.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_laying_on_of_hands#Anglicanism

So the Anglican Priest were ordained by the laying of hands:
Does you accept Real Presence of the Anglicans?

 

[Dorothy]

Anglicanism
… The laying on of hands is also performed in the sacrament of Holy Orders and is the means by which one is included in one of the three ordained orders of the church: bishop, priest, or deacon. Ordination can be administered only by a bishop in Apostolic Succession.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_laying_on_of_hands#Anglicanism

So the Anglican Priest were ordained by the laying of hands:
Does you accept Real Presence of the Anglicans?

I honestly do not know the answer to your question. I do know that there are complications that I do not understand.