Does the Catholic Church believe Luke got it wrong?

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It sure doesn’t teach this.

(Luke 6:30-35) “Give to everyone who asks you, and do not ask for your property back from the man who robs you. Treat others, as you would like them to treat you. If you love those who love you, what thanks can you expect? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do food to you, what thanks can you expect? For even sinners do that much. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive what thanks can you expect? Even sinners lend to sinners to get back the same amount. (How did the church ever justify saying usury was excessive interest?) Instead, love your enemies and do well, and lend without any hope of return. You will have a great reward, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

Do you know usury is an evil act?
(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who
is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”
 
Enter, why don’t you just tell us what you think the Catholic church teaches rather than posting vague statements and quoting some scripture? Be specific and you just may get a specific answer. Your constant firing of vague broadsides at the Church is getting just a little tiresome. Remember, one topic per thread, please.
 
Enter, would you mind telling us what the Catholic Church does that violates this passage of scripture? :confused:
 
geezerbob said:
Enter, why don’t you just tell us what you think the Catholic church teaches rather than posting vague statements and quoting some scripture? Be specific and you just may get a specific answer. Your constant firing of vague broadsides at the Church is getting just a little tiresome. Remember, one topic per thread, please.
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The bobster’s right, Enter. I don’t really know what you are saying or asking. It has something to do with usury. Could you clarify please? Thank you.
 
Hmm, I suppose that Enter’s church and its members have absolutely **nothing **to do with usury. Don’t have credit cards, don’t have bank accounts, are all debt free, don’t buy anything from any person or individual who makes a profit, tithe, etc. AND live so simply that they can provide for all they meet–giving freely to every person who asks them for money, every begging letter for charity, etc. 😃

Not only that, every one of them, should another ‘dispute’ him for a service or rob him of all his goods, will not press charges, ask for his money back, and loves those who ‘hate’ him. Every one. All the time. Why, they will even bless the ones who ‘wrong’ them on message boards, and love them. :rolleyes:
 
Enter said:
It sure doesn’t teach this.

(Luke 6:30-35) “Give to everyone who asks you, and do not ask for your property back from the man who robs you. Treat others, as you would like them to treat you. If you love those who love you, what thanks can you expect? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do food to you, what thanks can you expect? For even sinners do that much. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive what thanks can you expect? Even sinners lend to sinners to get back the same amount. (How did the church ever justify saying usury was excessive interest?) Instead, love your enemies and do well, and lend without any hope of return. You will have a great reward, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

Do you know usury is an evil act?
(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who
is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”
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What about Calvin’s defense in favor of usury? Hmmm, wasn’t Calvin one of the big Protestant Reformers?

I suggest you read your history before you start pointing fingers.
 
Ani_Ibi said:
The bobster’s right, Enter. I don’t really know what you are saying or asking. It has something to do with usury. Could you clarify please? Thank you.
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He can’t clarify. Its more of the same. “Let’s go do some Catholic bashing!”
 
Enter said:
It sure doesn’t teach this.

(Luke 6:30-35) “Give to everyone who asks you, and do not ask for your property back from the man who robs you. Treat others, as you would like them to treat you. If you love those who love you, what thanks can you expect? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do food to you, what thanks can you expect? For even sinners do that much. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive what thanks can you expect? Even sinners lend to sinners to get back the same amount. (How did the church ever justify saying usury was excessive interest?) Instead, love your enemies and do well, and lend without any hope of return. You will have a great reward, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

Do you know usury is an evil act?
(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who
is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”
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It sounds quite like the teachings of the great Catholic Saint Francis of Assisi to me. Not to mention the Blessed Mother Theresa.

Among many, many others within Christ’s Church.
 
djrakowski said:
Enter, would you mind telling us what the Catholic Church does that violates this passage of scripture? :confused:
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**Unfortunately, Enter appears to be yet another of a growing number of antagonists who come here for the sole purpose of irritating Catholics by bashing and running. **
Whenever somebody more rational or more informed calls them on their point, they have no answer.
I guess we should just pray for them . . .🤷
 
Poor Enter. It’s not irritation that I feel. . .it is sorrow and pity for someone in error, hope that the error can be corrected, love for the Christ who is in him no matter what.
 
Hi Enter and welcome to the forums! 👍

I have just one question…What da heck are you talking about?

Subrosa
 
Whatever a poster’s motive, answer with patience and charity for the benefit of lurkers. If one wants to hang grapefruit over the plate like this, just knock it out of the park. 🙂

Scott
 
Enter said:
It sure doesn’t teach this.

(Luke 6:30-35) “Give to everyone who asks you, and do not ask for your property back from the man who robs you. Treat others, as you would like them to treat you. If you love those who love you, what thanks can you expect? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do food to you, what thanks can you expect? For even sinners do that much. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive what thanks can you expect? Even sinners lend to sinners to get back the same amount. (How did the church ever justify saying usury was excessive interest?) Instead, love your enemies and do well, and lend without any hope of return. You will have a great reward, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

Do you know usury is an evil act?
(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who
is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”
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And the point is???:confused:
 
Scottgun said:
Whatever a poster’s motive, answer with patience and charity for the benefit of lurkers. If one wants to hang grapefruit over the plate like this, just knock it out of the park. 🙂

Scott
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Well first we need to know what he is asking.
 
estesbob said:
Well first we need to know what he is asking.
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True, but this doesn’t warrant speculating that he is just here to stir up trouble (not you, btw). He is talking about usury. We don’t necessarily need to know a specific question to give or link to a brief description of Church teaching on usury and common objections. That is, see it as an opportunity to explain the faith, rather than a game of gotcha.

Scott
 
Whatever action we take must be done in love. There is a big difference between empowering and enabling, between being codependent and interdependent. Will our actions help the person discover and grow in the Love of Christ?
Do the actions we take enable a person to continue to abuse him/herself or others? Think AA which maintains that a person must reach rock bottom before he will help himself. If we simply give the beggar on the street money, we do not know whether or not he/she will use the money for food or a drug of choice. On the other hand, if we give the person who needs food a gift certificate to Wendy’s or the second item in our 2 for the price of 1 deal, we are helping to meet that person’s need (see James). “If we say to a brother keep warm and well fed but do not meet his bodily needs, what good is that?”
Our attachment is to God, not material goods or personal comfort. Did not Jesus say to walk 2 miles with the man who asks you to go 1 mile with him and to give your cloak to the man who asks for it?
This to me seems to be what the question is asking.
 
elvisman said:
**Unfortunately, Enter **appears to be yet another of a growing number of antagonists who come here for the sole purpose of irritating Catholics by bashing and running.
Whenever somebody more rational or more informed calls them on their point, they have no answer.
I guess we should just pray for them . . .🤷
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I agree. And I was praying my Rosary and aksing for Patience with these anti-Catholic protstants.

Boy did I ever get an answer. St. Ignatius of Loyola.
Luther nailed his theses to the church door at Wittenberg in 1517. Seventeen years later, Ignatius founded the Society that was to play so prominent a part in the Counter-Reformation. He was an implacable foe of Protestantism. Yet the seeds of ecumenism may be found in his words: “Great care must be taken to show forth orthodox truth in such a way that if any heretics happen to be present they may have an example of charity and Christian moderation. No hard words should be used nor any sort of contempt for their errors be shown.” One of the greatest twentieth-century ecumenists was Cardinal Bea, a Jesuit."
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quoted from Saint of the Day
 
I started this thread because Jesus told us to lend without any hope of return. He told us not to store up for our futures. He told us that we could not be disciples unless we gave up all our possessions. I haven’t found this to be a teaching of most if any Christian Church. So I thought it should be brought to the attention of those who claim to be Christian. Now I know the Catholic and most likely most every church denomination has changed the definition of usury, they had to in order to make their watering down of the Word of God, acceptable.

I can only post for one hour a day, because that is what is allowed at the library. I will try to get back tomorrow and again answer your comments.
 
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