Does the Catholic Church believe Luke got it wrong?

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Now I know the Catholic and most likely most every church denomination has changed the definition of usury, they had to in order to make their watering down of the Word of God, acceptable.
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Oh boy! Can’t wait to see how this ends.

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Enter said:
I started this thread because Jesus told us to lend without any hope of return. He told us not to store up for our futures. He told us that we could not be disciples unless we gave up all our possessions. I haven’t found this to be a teaching of most if any Christian Church. So I thought it should be brought to the attention of those who claim to be Christian. Now I know the Catholic and most likely most every church denomination has changed the definition of usury, they had to in order to make their watering down of the Word of God, acceptable.

I can only post for one hour a day, because that is what is allowed at the library. I will try to get back tomorrow and again answer your comments.
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If it is as you claim - that nearly every church ‘waters down’ the teaching of the Word of God regarding usury and lending, then why is this an issue for only the Catholic Church?

Furthermore, what are churches, Catholic or otherwise, supposed to do about interest rates charged on loans and credit cards? These services wouldn’t be available unless lenders could make money from them.
 
Enter said:
I can only post for one hour a day, because that is what is allowed at the library. I will try to get back tomorrow and again answer your comments.
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Interesting. He’s using guerilla tactics to bash us Catholics. Hit and run. Very effective.
 
djrakowski said:
If it is as you claim - that nearly every church ‘waters down’ the teaching of the Word of God regarding usury and lending, then why is this an issue for only the Catholic Church?

Furthermore, what are churches, Catholic or otherwise, supposed to do about interest rates charged on loans and credit cards? These services wouldn’t be available unless lenders could make money from them.
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Christians should not be the lenders with the expectations of having anything in return. Paul told us to earn our living by working.
 
Enter said:
Christians should not be the lenders with the expectations of having anything in return. Paul told us to earn our living by working.
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Should Christians also avoid savings accounts, money market accounts, certificates of deposit, or other means of saving money that pay interest?
 
Enter said:
Christians should not be the lenders with the expectations of having anything in return. Paul told us to earn our living by working.
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So you suggest we shut down the entire economic system of the coutnry? Or are you suggesting we go back to the way it was in the middle ages where only Jews could lend money?
 
estesbob said:
So you suggest we shut down the entire economic system of the coutnry? Or are you suggesting we go back to the way it was in the middle ages where only Jews could lend money?
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No the state has the right to operate however it wants. The state is part of the world, but a Christian isn’t part of the world, so has no right to be part of the world.

(John 15:18-19) “If the world hates you, remember that it hated me before you. If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you do not belong to the world because my choice withdrew you from the world.”
 
Enter said:
No the state has the right to operate however it wants. The state is part of the world, but a Christian isn’t part of the world, so has no right to be part of the world.

(John 15:18-19) “If the world hates you, remember that it hated me before you. If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you do not belong to the world because my choice withdrew you from the world.”
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Scripture also commands us to be subject to earthly authorities:

Romans 13:1 (NIV) - Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

Sure, live as a Christian, but you’re still subject to the (just) laws that govern the place in which you live.
 
Enter said:
No the state has the right to operate however it wants. The state is part of the world, but a Christian isn’t part of the world, so has no right to be part of the world.

(John 15:18-19) “If the world hates you, remember that it hated me before you. If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you do not belong to the world because my choice withdrew you from the world.”
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Thats very admirable of you. How do you plan to live you life without belonging to the world and without borrowing any money?
 
estesbob said:
Thats very admirable of you. How do you plan to live you life without belonging to the world and without borrowing any money?
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Seriously, I was wondering the same thing… I don’t know too many people with the ability to buy a house or pay for college without borrowing money.
 
I don’t think he means we cannot borrow at interest. I think he means we cannot lend at interest. However, that’s how we get interest on bank accounts, so where are we supposed to keep our money if not in banks? In cash under the matress? That isn’t very good stewardship.
 
Enter said:
No the state has the right to operate however it wants. The state is part of the world, but a Christian isn’t part of the world, so has no right to be part of the world.

(John 15:18-19) “If the world hates you, remember that it hated me before you. If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you do not belong to the world because my choice withdrew you from the world.”
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I feel a rapture coming on
 
Gamera said:
I don’t think he means we cannot borrow at interest. I think he means we cannot lend at interest. However, that’s how we get interest on bank accounts, so where are we supposed to keep our money if not in banks? In cash under the matress? That isn’t very good stewardship.
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I personally believe Christians are supposed to live in community, where everyone owns everything in common, and calls nothing their own. Now I have tried three different communities and Jesus saw fit to have me leave them. I have had to live thirty years trying to live without a savings account or owning anything of value. I have lived from paycheck to paycheck all these years. Raised four children and three have graduated from college and are doing well. The third has Downs Syndrome and still lives with my wife and me.

It has been very hard, and I know if we could have found a truly Spirit filled community; life would have been much easer.
 
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