Does the Catholic Church change?

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Do you mind showing me through quoting Pope Benedict on the doctrine of justification and how it lines up with Trent? Apparently through Christianity Today, many Evangelicals understood what Pope Benedict stated in the same way that I do.
When the Catholic Church says “faith,” The Church means living faith, not the “believe in your mind, sit on your butt” faith that many protestants teach (OSAS comes to mind.)

To have faith is to believe in Jesus Christ. To believe in Jesus Christ not only means to believe in who He is, but to believe His words.

I know Luther initially hated the Book of James, but I will quote from it:

James 2:14-26

What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

And in Matthew:

Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord” will enter the kingdom of God, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven.

What is the will of God? To love.

Love is an act of the will. You do not need to feel something internally to love (We can’t control our emotions).

Here is what I mean:

If you see a stranger carrying groceries, and his bag falls and everything falls out, you love him by helping him gather everything, not by “feeling bad” for him.

We have to imitate Christ.
 
2nd Adam needs to specifically show us where there is the divergence between Pope Benedict XVI’s words, and the Council of Trent. From a cursory glance at his other thread, and this one, he has not done so yet, and just points us back to the Christianity Today article, which does not say specifically where the divergence is, just that it’s a “profound change”. This discussion (or more specifically, the other thread) would go a lot better if he could actually show us where the Council of Trent is saying something “profoundly” different. From my own quotes from Trent, in comparison to the words of Pope Benedict, I see no difference, especially when they both use similar language referencing charity, as in, faith qualified. Pope Benedict’s words clearly include a qualification of supporting Luther’s “faith alone”, which 2nd Adam seems to believe is unimportant to address, and gives his misleading signature as evidence of that. Luckily, Catholics aren’t all idiots. :cool:
 
Does the Catholic Church change simply by adding new sacred tradition? It seems old sacred tradition has to be understood in the light of new sacred tradition. Therefore, the rules of the game changes according to the new rules added. I just realized this through listening to Tim Staples today on the Catholic Answers radio program… listening to the questions of the Catholics trying to make sense of older sacred tradition together with new sacred tradition. Therefore, it seems to me that the Catholic Church does change since new tradition is always being added to the deposit of faith that was once for all delivered to the saints (Jude 3).
A straight and honest answer. The teachings of the Church concerning faith and morals cannot change. Disciples can change.
 
perhaps your are misapplying the term change, Change can be a complete reversal of a previous direction or it can be an enhancement to the current direction or something in-between. Like a course correction.

The further development of or the expansion upon a previously established doctrine is not a Change of the type that you may think it is. like learning math
1st the basics addition & subtraction, next multiplication & division, then algebra, etc etc. some teachings there 1st appear to differ from the most basic math but upon further examination & learning the procedures you see how it all comes together…

Much like the Protestant doctrine that Christ didn’t mean what he said & repeated in Jn Chapter 6, They prefer to read into it a NON Literal sense & thus corrupt the text & their own personal beliefs that the Bible is the literal word of God ( except when I don’t want it to be cause it undermines my positions)

That aside the Church can and does change somethings that are non-essentials.
Mass in the vernacular for example.

In short That so-called New Sacred Tradition is nothing more than a better understanding of Old Sacred Tradition in light of new or better manuscripts etc.

So Sorry No cigar for you today!
The article in Christianity Today reveals what Protestants see as acutal significant changes in the Catholic Faith (faith alone)… which the Catholic Church will deny these actual changes to be changes.

Read the article on Christianity Today which agrees that this is a significant change.

christianitytoday.com/ct/…/103-51.0.html

Please read the entire article on the link. Here is a taste of it:

Do the Catholics in ECT right now take the same position on justification as Neuhaus and Dulles?

Oh yes. There are probably 12 to 13 other Catholic [leaders] who hold that position. And now of course the Pope holds it, so it almost doesn’t matter who else holds it, in the way the Catholic Church is structured.

All shifts that take place in Catholicism happen very gradually. Vatican II was an exception. That’s not the way in which theological development occurs within the catholic communion. It occurs in a gradual process in which the pope, and in this case, a cardinal and a couple priests see a way to express something differently and they would argue that there’s no change.

Of course, if you compare it with Trent, there’s a profound change. But they would see it as the development of doctrine. And if it’s contrary to some church council — as this was, clearly — then nothing happens immediately.

Cardinal [Edward] Cassidy took “The Gift of Salvation”] back to the Vatican in 1997 and was teaching it to the bishops. It sort of percolated through the church, and the Pope, who — significantly — was an Augustinian, picked it up. And then a decade later, it ended up in the catechism. That’s just the way change occurs in the Catholic Church./
 
When the Catholic Church says “faith,” The Church means living faith, not the “believe in your mind, sit on your butt” faith that many protestants teach (OSAS comes to mind.)

To have faith is to believe in Jesus Christ. To believe in Jesus Christ not only means to believe in who He is, but to believe His words.

I know Luther initially hated the Book of James, but I will quote from it:

James 2:14-26

What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

And in Matthew:

Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord” will enter the kingdom of God, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven.

What is the will of God? To love.

Love is an act of the will. You do not need to feel something internally to love (We can’t control our emotions).

Here is what I mean:

If you see a stranger carrying groceries, and his bag falls and everything falls out, you love him by helping him gather everything, not by “feeling bad” for him.

We have to imitate Christ.
James in proper context:

16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. [4] 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Hearing and Doing the Word

19 Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; 20 for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God. 21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. 24 For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. 25 But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.

26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless. 27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
The Sin of Partiality

2:1 My brothers, [5] show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. 2 For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, 3 and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” 4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? 5 Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him? 6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Are not the rich the ones who oppress you, and the ones who drag you into court? 7 Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable name by which you were called?

8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good [6] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
 
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