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Ridgerunner
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I’m finished for the evening. There’s nobody in here anymore anyway but three of us.
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Meemai
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To stop a mass murder, you need to have more then a gun. Something called luck.
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Annie39
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YEEOW!!!
“They stand in my way, I want a world of syndicalism. So I am against a lot. And a lot effects me because I can’t get my way.”
syndicalism: a form or development of trade unionism, originating in France, that aims at the possession of the means of production and distribution, and ultimately at the control of society, by federated bodies of industrial workers, and that seeks to realize its purposes through general strikes, terrorism, sabotage, etc.
Notice I’m not engaging in ad hominem he/she outed himself (herself?)!
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Prodigal_Son1
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What a spin. I also provided you the end of the blog by Cardinal Dolan. It was not an attempt he sought. It was for meaningful and effective gun controls.
I’ll ask again, since you ‘overlooked’ it the first time. Is people dieing, and losing a dignity of life even possibly a loss of salvation, a moral issue? That’s why the bishops are there, to guide us on how to live with moral obligations in a secular world. Because they don’t say, ‘this is intrinsic,’ doesn’t mean it’s not an important issue.
Where are the list of issues where the full body of bishops spoke unity, each for themselves? You placed an unrealistic requirement on the bishops accepting a USCCB committee chairman as speaking for them as a whole.
The Cardinal referenced the 2000 document, but somehow I was ‘reaching’ to use it myself. I have agreed with the men of the Church and I have suffered a lone fault for doing so. I recognize no one wants to cross that line of disrespect for the bishops, but it’s hypocritical to hold me accountable, for following and accepting what they say.
Be honest, haven’t you thrown the Obama card out there as an ad hominem a ‘couple’ of times?
The calls existed prior to the Obama administration, and specifically addressed ‘legislators.’ There’s plenty of politicians at fault for the inaction in this country, on either side of the political aisle.
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I’m not going to try and fool myself, or anyone else. We cannot stop every person set on the mass destruction of other people, but if we stop one, ‘we have done the best we could for the least of His.’
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Actually, some killers have been stopped with guns. The “Sikh killer” for one. There have been others. The lady who crawled under her house for another.
I do not advocate disarming everybody in Boston or in arming them, either one. I was referring to the fact that since many people sat in their homes with their children with the Tsarnaevs running around loose in their neighborhoods, totally without means of self-defense, probably a lot of people got to thinking about that helplessness. And perhaps thinking about it, it took the wind out of the “nobody ever needs a serious weapon” argument. Obama’s bill died shortly thereafter. Maybe that was part of the cause and maybe it wasn’t, but as soon as the Boston tragedy happened, I knew the Obama bill was finished. And it was.
Cdl Dolan called for banning a weapon that was already banned. Perhaps he didn’t know the difference between an assault weapon and a semi-automatic rifle. I don’t know, and neither do you. He supported disarming the NY police without apparently realizing it. Bp Blaire supported Obama all the way and still does. Maybe two more still support Blaire That’s what? About 6/100ths of 1% of the bishops?
I trust my bishop. He’s a good man. He writes a column every week on faith and morals, and I read them. He has never mentioned supporting gun control legislation. Never. We’re just not obligated to obey a tiny minority of bishops who support a law that virtually nobody else supports and didn’t pass because of that lack of support.
You support it. You’re free to think what you want about it.
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Meemai
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No you got it wrong. People will all work together. The government will not even be involved. And people will earn fairly. Syndicalism is the best way to go. It´s a fair way!
You probably do not understand, because we do not share the same views politically. But Syndaclism would beat the higher powers like lobbies It would mean freedom!
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Fairwinds
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some kind of strange proto-commie ideology. early 19th century fantasy world.
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Meemai
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It´s not fantasy. It´s other stupid nations opressing these ideas and saying they are freedom= Freedom hah! Don´t let me laugh Snowden and wikileaks has proved it all…
But I think Americans can´t understand how it is to be pro-left. But left will prevail and win left has to win!
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Prodigal_Son1
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Cardinal Dolan was responding directly to the Newtown shooting, where the shooter used an AR15, which was identified by multiples sources as an ‘assault,’ or ‘assault style.’ weapon. We know what gun he was speaking about.
You can’t minimize the silence behind Blaire’s support for legislation. As Cardinal Dolan stated, and I summarize, ‘the bishops have supported gun control for years.’ He would have been called if that had been a mistake, yet silence. The bishops are not political. They will call a politician when they view their actions as wrong, and praise those actions they agree with. It’s not a ‘hate them at all costs’ proposition for them.
Here’s a good question, and reasonable in my opinion. Have you asked your bishop his view on gun controls? He would be no less a good man if he responded, yes I support gun controls and think we all should.
As has been asked, what issue do you know of, where every bishop spoke on an issue? They are within a hierarchy and accept ‘spokesmen’, especially when it’s within their own organization, and of a committee. We all know how committees work, and how they represent the bigger ‘picture.’ This gives the bishops time to work on other, and more important, things under their office. If a spokesman spoke incorrectly, you can believe we’d hear about it. Look at the last elections, bishops spoke differently, according to their view. There are no corrections, or clarifications, on this issue.
Again, have a good evening.
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Annie39
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I understand alright. I’m glad that you outed yourself. I was just thinking that you were just an airhead who believed that tinker bell is real. It turns out that you want to disarm your opposition so that you can have your way.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Really?
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Meemai
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You sound like a atheist. Because this is what they say when i believe in God. Hah makes me chuckle. What if i really am a airhead and me being religious is a result cheers to you. And alsio i would like to overthrow the opposition without any violence. No guns no nothing.
I want the best for the people. Right winged movements that only fill theyre own pockets. What do they do for the poor? The syndicate would end it all. The people need to be helped. Viva la left i will keep fighting for it without violence that God might grant my wish. Ok going ti sleep now no more beer and 3 am
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No.
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USCCB Committees Call For Action In Response To Newtown Tragedy
Below is from the blog of the president of the USCCB, Cardinal Dolan.
Advocating for Gun Control
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Fairwinds
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welcome to the Matrix
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Beryllos
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Wow! Is this thread still alive and kicking? 200 posts in the last 24 hours!
Keep it up, and maybe I can come back tomorrow and post message #666
Keep it up, and maybe I can come back tomorrow and post message #666
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Annie39
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LOLWow! Is this thread still alive and kicking? 200 posts in the last 24 hours!
Keep it up, and maybe I can come back tomorrow and post message #666
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